What Canadian women are up against

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A provincial member of parliament (called MLA’s in BC), from a right wing party (not far right) liked a tweet by Kara Dansky. A Vancouver media outlet reported this along with the usual slate of words; terrifying, transphobic, dangerous, etc. Quotes from the governing party (the MLA in question is in the opposition), and various random “advocates” saying things like ““It really is a demonstration of where her thinking is. Public figures need to be careful of who they associate with and the kind of support they throw to other public figures because it does reflect back on them,” and ““Almost every day now we’re seeing protests against drag queens and drag queen story times, Trans rights are human rights. Full stop. There is no debate required.”

Its relentless, we are so far behind the UK. vancouver.citynews.ca/2023/01/04/bc-liberal-mla-under-fire-anti-trans-tweets/

i'm not on twitter but tried to follow the tweet, looks like it's since be redacted and she's following the ridiculous line.

Here's a link to the article on twitter, lots of people in the comments are getting it

twitter.com/CityNewsVAN/status/1610804055902945281?s=20&t=E5d9yawnD7eVgQJ5vwG_UQ

Almost every day now we’re seeing protests against drag queens and drag queen story times

Good on you, Canada. I thought there was no hope there at all but seeing this it's actually a positive.

That’s a shame she’s deleted her tweet. Nice to see some of the responses on the link you shared, icake.

I particularly liked “Try arguing with a drunk first. If you can consistently win at that, then and only then, turn to the Trans community.”.

Canada has got its head so far up its arse I'm surprised its not looking out of its mouth.

@ClitoralViolence sleepwalking off a peer. i fear for my grandkids. my ds1 works in education thinks it's all a non issue, happy to play along.

Thank you letter sent. Are there any other provincial or federal politicians that have stuck their head above the parapet?

Aside from Renee Merrifield, the subject of this article, I’m not aware of anyone. I’m sure there are politicians who’d like to, but we don’t have a Rosie Duffield, they’re all cowards.

Sorry @toomanytrees time for me to go to sleep, I miss the “any other” in your post.

I don’t have anything useful to post here. Just wanted to say how much sympathy I have for my sisters to the north.

Solidarity from the US.

Thanks @GrinitchSpinach none of my friends are concerned and my workplace is very firmly twaw. It’s quite a lonely point of view here.

I also live in Canada and can't believe the degree to which everyone has swallowed gender ideology wholesale. The perception is that the only people who could possibly object are American Republicans or evangelical Christians. I have a few friends who I can speak to confidentially but would not dream of voicing my opinion openly with anyone else. I have however had a few conversations where I mildly questioned the assumptions and felt that other people have similar concerns but feel they also can't speak about them. For example I was chatting with a group of dads last summer and one mentioned knowing someone whose daughter is now a trans boy and the friend finds it hard to remember to call her by her new male name. I said well no wonder that's quite a shift in a short period and they all then agreed with me, but I felt they were a bit nervous about breaking the party line that the only reluctance on the part of the parent is because of ignorance or bigotry.

My fear is that the only pushback will happen if we get À Conservative government and that will only cement the perception that gender ideology is progressive.

There has been a deafening silence from Poilevre and the federal Conservative Party, although a couple of the other leadership candidates danced very carefully around the issue. Policy for all parties seems to be solely top down. Questionnaires such as "what are your 3 most important issues" are never open ended and never include this issue. Another difficulty is that so much of this nonsense stems from provincial legislation.

I recall Erin O'Toole led the Tories not to object to the "conversion therapy" ban. He no doubt thought it was an easy way to score points with the centre and look caring. I really feel the problem is that there is zero knowledge or debate unless you deliberately seek out sources like Quillette.

I don't know... I think it is called progressive because it is. Isn't is time for people to be able to he who they feel they are and to be supported? Surely if another person doesn't accept it they can simply go about their life without accosting the other and shouting abuse to them and their children? 🤷‍♀️

@Mumtobabyhavoc they can be supported in their own spaces.
men in women's spaces is not progress. nor is men in women's sport.
it pushes natal women out of the picture because men by their physical nature are not women and have zero experience of what we generally go though due to our generally smaller frame, physical strength, and reproductive history.

That would all be totally fine if they'd picked different words for this feeling of who one is rather than appropriated the words that mean sex.

Because now we have the tragicomic situation where provisions set up on the basis of sex, based on what people of that sex needed, have to be opened up to people of the opposite sex for no real reason other than they used the name of the opposite sex to label an inner feeling, and this then got turned into the illogical assertion that they, in some undefinable way, actually are the opposite sex, and therefore to stop them having everything that is available to the opposite sex is somehow denying who they are.

From the outside, it looks like the trans movement came up with the idea that certain personalities belong in certain bodies and then decided they were being oppressed because their personalities didn't match and are now busily creating more and more extreme demands about what needs to be done to accomodate them as the opposite sex , when if they just dropped the idea that sex has anything to do with personality in the first place none of that would be needed.

Oh...and although it shouldn't need saying, no one should be shouting abuse at people or their children, just as no one should be hounding people out of their jobs for believing sex is real and has a material impact on female people's lives, or nailing dead rats on women-only refuges, or posting threatening pictures with baseball bats.

You think it's progressive to chemically castrate children at an age when they couldn't even legally smoke, get a tattoo, drink alcohol etc, but life changing (limiting) surgery and drugs is fine and progressive? It's progressive to allow male bodied sex offenders into the female prison estate? It's progressive to allow mediocre male bodied athletes to take titles from elite female athletes who have trained for years? It's progressive to deny vulnerable/traumatised/abused women any space where they can be confident they won't encounter biological males? No single sex spaces is progressive?! You haven't just drunk the cool aid you've taken out shares in it.

I don't think it's necessary to be insulting @TheSealsKnowImMagical
I think we're in unchartered territory; the world is ever changing; and we ought to be open-minded and learn as much as we can so we can peacefully co-exist. Throwing out accusations, rhetorical as they were, certainly doesn't move the conversation forward and look for solutions where everyone can have some dignity.

@Mumtobabyhavoc transgendered people can have dignity in their own spaces.

Sterilised children don't have dignity. Traumatised women don't have dignity.
But fuck 'em eh?

My cousin in Vancouver is full-on TWAW.

She’s a nurse. And a lesbian.

That’s some hefty mental gymnastics.

Rather than only react to seal last statement, DO you feel that what seal has listed is ‘progressive’?

Because if you do, why? Why do you think that is progress?

@DogBowlsAreMyWeapon sadly the crnbc (nursing governing body) is fully captured and any stance other than twaw can be cause for disciplinary action.
see the case of vancouver nurse amy hamm.