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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Giggle being sued … again.

58 replies

WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 10:42

As reported in The Guardian:

www.theguardian.com/media/2022/dec/31/transgender-woman-sues-female-only-app-giggle-for-girls-for-alleged-discrimination

[Roxanne] Tickle’s access was revoked despite her selfie being approved by artificial intelligence in February 2021, giving her full access to the site, she said.

I‘m not surprised the AI was fooled into thinking this person was female given the ridiculous levels of photo filtering employed by this person.

Hope Sall continues to hold her line.

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Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 11:31

nauticant · 31/12/2022 11:16

They don't like women to have sports teams free of male people:

twitter.com/okbiology/status/1311354881123459074

Oh, for the love of God. How filtered must the giggle photo he used have been? Kim K level? Or Madonna level?

Clymene · 31/12/2022 11:31

@Boiledbeetle - nothing offensive. Just very very clearly a middle aged man

LaughingPriest · 31/12/2022 11:32

To say you can identify as female-sex is to say that sex and gender are the same thing.

To say that sex and gender are the same thing is to deny and erase the existence of trans people.

Surely it's a good thing this transphobic person wasn't allowed on Giggle?

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 11:32

WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 11:27

@FOJN was that a typo or deliberate misspelling? 🤣

😆

JellySaurus · 31/12/2022 11:35

Where is Giggle based? If outside Australia, with laws apply?

He can identify as Elvis Bloody Presley if he wants doesn't mean someone would give him the keys to Graceland.

Doesn't identitarian law legislate that a person is exactly who he says he is? Any person claiming to be a woman IS a woman. By that rationale any person claiming to be Elvis IS Elvis - so hand over the keys PDQ or else!*
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SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 31/12/2022 11:36

Florissant · 31/12/2022 11:20

“The app provider appears not to recognise transgender women as female. I am legally permitted to identify as female.”

Female or a woman? Big difference since the latter term has lost all meaning. Female still means "of the class that produces large immobile gametes".

No. Neither.

Woman may have been colonised but it is not lost, shall not be abandoned.

I am a woman.

No man ever will be.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:39

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 11:30

The law In Australia is the Sex Discrimination Act I think. It states both sex and gender identity, and it’s never been challenged to see what trumps what. This case was going to be the first to test it. The deadline set by the Federal Court passed, so hopefully the judge will not allow it for that reason. It’s malicious.

Sall talks about it an interview on Terf Talk Down Under (highly recommend, two women who give zero fucks!)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NxekXTLjetI

If I remember correctly the much lauded feminist Julia Gillard was instrumental in having ‘gender identity’ added in 2013 after Yogyakarta. I have never been a great fan of Gillard. And here she did us a great misservice.

I am worried for Sal here. Particularly after the Tasmanian lesbian ruling.

Whatthechicken · 31/12/2022 11:40

From an interview when Roxy joined the women’s hockey team, fellow team mate said during the interview: ‘yeah, Roxy’s got some spunk, that’s for sure’.

twitter.com/okbiology/status/1311645846279204866?s=21&t=qtESTadjdeTkFH-uMsPh_Q

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:41

‘yeah, Roxy’s got some spunk, that’s for sure’.

yeah! Literally!!

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 11:43

Christ, how did that obvious man get past the face check.

Datun · 31/12/2022 11:47

After initially suing Giggle and Grover in the federal circuit and family court in July this year, Tickle dropped the case, afraid of the legal costs after hearing the firm’s CEO would take the matter all the way to the high court if she had to.

Saying she now had “limited funding” to pursue the lawsuit, she is asking the federal court for approval to launch her case out of time.

This will be the 'strategic litigation' so beloved of trans lobby groups. Someone has chucked a load of money at it, in order to nail it down and set a precedent. Determined little misogynists, aren't they.

And yes, it will all depend upon whether or not there are single sex exceptions, like there are here. Presumably, Sal Grover has already established that, otherwise she wouldn't have been able to set it up in the first place.

The thing that gets me, as it does every other woman, I'm sure, is the agenda. Never mind the law, the agenda, which is undoubtedly, undeniably sexist, is being shouted from the rooftops.

What's the point in having laws to limit sexism, if you stand by and watch them be exploited to exactly that end??

nauticant · 31/12/2022 11:47

To say you can identify as female-sex is to say that sex and gender are the same thing.

One thing I detest about trans activists it's how they taunt women with statements that gender and sex are separate things and then the next moment they're arguing for male people to be in women's single sex spaces because of reasoning based on a combined sex/gender concept.

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 11:48

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:39

If I remember correctly the much lauded feminist Julia Gillard was instrumental in having ‘gender identity’ added in 2013 after Yogyakarta. I have never been a great fan of Gillard. And here she did us a great misservice.

I am worried for Sal here. Particularly after the Tasmanian lesbian ruling.

It was Gillard. But this is Federal rather than Tasmanian state law. Hopefully a Federal judge will weigh up the implications for the entire country. If it gets that far, it may be that Tickle has missed the window and that’s it.

WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 11:50

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 11:43

Christ, how did that obvious man get past the face check.

Filtered to fuck. That’s the technical term.

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Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:54

m.youtube.com/watch?v=STX1GCxYEIc

Tickle was included on this program discussing female sport. Along with other notable male sports people such as Layt - from the 00’s NSW female rugby. It is always interesting though to see Mianne Bagger included. I wonder how much longer some media will include them considering they now express regret at the policy changes they forced through with their case in international golf.

LaughingPriest · 31/12/2022 11:58

nauticant · 31/12/2022 11:47

To say you can identify as female-sex is to say that sex and gender are the same thing.

One thing I detest about trans activists it's how they taunt women with statements that gender and sex are separate things and then the next moment they're arguing for male people to be in women's single sex spaces because of reasoning based on a combined sex/gender concept.

It's the pretzel logic. It's so dishonest.

"Your gender is something entirely different from your sex, so you can have a man or woman gender regardless of your body, but your sex is the same as what your gender is"

Justme56 · 31/12/2022 11:58

I remember Sal saying that she has to employ people to double check AI as there were so many men trying to access the app (no matter what their gender identities). As well as being creepy I think some of these men just thought it was some sort of game to beat the system and get one over on females having something for themselves.

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 12:02

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 11:48

It was Gillard. But this is Federal rather than Tasmanian state law. Hopefully a Federal judge will weigh up the implications for the entire country. If it gets that far, it may be that Tickle has missed the window and that’s it.

Yes notbad, however I was using Tasmania ruling as an indication of how some laws are coming in that surely would be using that Act to support those laws.

I do very much share your hope that a Federal judge will weigh it all up and choose wisely. It is tempered though by great unease.

FOJN · 31/12/2022 12:03

WarningToTheCurious · 31/12/2022 11:27

@FOJN was that a typo or deliberate misspelling? 🤣

Sadly just a typo. Completely unnoticed until I saw your post and now I've given myself the biggest laugh of the day yet! 🤣

iamthesparrow · 31/12/2022 12:07

FFS, he's a furry too. Of course he is.

Another bingo tick box.

Abccde · 31/12/2022 12:27

I think we should all be grateful to Tickle et al.

A decent person let's woman have their own space.

A decent person does not try and get entry to spaces where women say no.

It doesn't matter what the law says. There is right and wrong morally.

Tickle is showing themselves up for exactly what they are.

People will see through the woman face and see a narcissistic male who doesn't like a woman saying no.

Boiledbeetle · 31/12/2022 12:33

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 11:54

m.youtube.com/watch?v=STX1GCxYEIc

Tickle was included on this program discussing female sport. Along with other notable male sports people such as Layt - from the 00’s NSW female rugby. It is always interesting though to see Mianne Bagger included. I wonder how much longer some media will include them considering they now express regret at the policy changes they forced through with their case in international golf.

So he stopped playing hockey because HE was uncomfortable around the men and the smells of the other men, but feels it perfectly OK to subject women to those along with his actual male body and his male face and his male voice.

HOW BLOODY DARE HE what a self entitled man he is.

And the giggle photo going off that video must have filtered then filtered then filtered then filtered......

NotBadConsidering · 31/12/2022 12:37

People will see through the woman face and see a narcissistic male who doesn't like a woman saying no

But Sall Grover has to potentially go to Federal Court for everyone to see this, whilst running a company trying to relaunch an app with a young baby. The process is the punishment.

Loveacuppa · 31/12/2022 12:39

Justme56 · 31/12/2022 11:58

I remember Sal saying that she has to employ people to double check AI as there were so many men trying to access the app (no matter what their gender identities). As well as being creepy I think some of these men just thought it was some sort of game to beat the system and get one over on females having something for themselves.

Perhaps they could shift towards further development of the AI that correctly determines Sex based on retinal scans (rather than relying on facial features)?
(Just need an easy way to scan the back of an eyeball.....)

Helleofabore · 31/12/2022 12:39

Yes. And the previous case was dropped when Sal was in very late stages of pregnancy!

This really should never have been allowed to get this far.