Labour's Ben Bradshaw on the attack

[CysticMeg]

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1607991584234115072?t=cBmrw2vp-ik9Q-5oSqyJow&s=19

So disappointed to read this tweet and the very clear direction of his follow up.

Interesting to read the overwhelmingly challenging replies though, with so many people feeling able to state their concerns. Another demonstration of the own goal nature of the Scottish ruling?

So mystifying to see see a gay man who is otherwise open to listening (or who has given that impression over his career) be so absolutely defiantly resistant to acknowledging the concerns of female constituents.

Depressing to think that surrounded by Tories in the SW, Labour are prepared to do nothing to listen in an effort to represent and engage with their electorate.

Mangy I don’t want to be a dick this is a genuine question and you’re probably a lawyer who understands this stuff- I’m certainly not- but how can it logically be that the incumbent Tory government on whose watch this has all proliferated has got its hands tied and can’t direct public bodies to simply adhere to existing laws - and yet a Labour or anyone else government would be able to make the same bodies make pro-TRA changes? Surely either Ministers and Governments already have this power or they don’t?

i think we have to wonder why hasn’t anything been done yet?

Indeed.

It continues to be regrettable but basically oh well acceptable that women are being raped rather than men having to face boundaries to their self actualisation.

Seriously. And women are expected to keep on voting for this.

Usually in government departments and public bodies there is great caution about appearing to contradict a Minister or junior minister’s policies let alone getting into the virtually unthinkable situation of actually refusing or opposing a direct Ministerial instruction.

I don’t know the administrative structure for prisons relative to powers of government Ministers but surely prison bodies or individual prisons’ governors would only be able to ignore a direct Ministerial instruction if they thought it was illegal what they were being asked to do or say, if it was an inappropriate ask going beyond the Ministerial powers?

At which point if needed, a court case would soon settle who was on the right side of the law.

And furthermore regardless of the chain of command from government Ministers to prisons, I had understood that public bodies which surely includes prisons, had to abide by the Public Sector Equality Duty. And housing men in with women prisoners clearly fails at that equality duty.

So isn’t what is actually lacking here, any instruction from (…the past few years’ succession of…) Tory government ministers with responsibility for prisons: to tell prisons or their representative bodies, that prisons must stop allowing men to be housed in with women?

Just to add that I think Labour are absolutely culpable for not calling on the government urgently to sort this mess out, so this isn’t just a party political dig- they’re all as bad as each other politically.

But we can’t ignore that the Tories have been in government and kicking this issue into the long grass for the past 12 years which is becoming pretty unforgivable.

I would still settle for kicking into the long grass and dragging feet over galloping straight into it with insane enthusiasm. Labour will never call on anyone to sort this out, they are wholly in favour of it.

The Tories aren't kicking this into the long grass. It's their policy and they're going through with it. By the end of this parliamentary term the Trans agenda will be well and truly pushed through and it will be the Tories wot done it.🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Yes, the Tory party is currently in charge, with men in women's prisons...

And if Labour had been in power we would have self id by now like Scotland.

I am no Tory but it is really silly to imply they are the only ones doing it. Like it or not they put the brakes on their own early plans to make getting a GRC easier.

2 different Tory Ministers for Women have clearly stated that in terms of refuges etc., women only means biological women only. If Labour had been in power they would be suing WA & RCC for being transphobic.

The Tories are also saying, that they might challenge the recent court case in Scotland.

If Labour were in power they would be applauding the SNP (and Scottish Green and Labour) for implementing self id. And pointing out that of the 4 UK nations England is now the only one without self id.

This comes up on threads over and over again. Nobody needs to be told the damage the Tories have done to the country.

But that means that yet again for the "greater good" women are being told they shouldn't put their rights before others.

It would be more productive to show how if at all Labour have been listening to women. But that would be hard to do because they haven't.

And dont forget when Labour gets in, it wont be because they won, it will be a negative vote against the Tories.

When did Scotland start going down the Self ID route @IwantToRetire?

He's well into this.

Interesting that he relies tono discussion or concerns from women though.

twitter.com/BenPBradshaw/status/1613129528360013825?t=csJMMrxwyRyWEwhlfzW7VA&s=19

Whether the govt refuses to accept/challenges the new Scots self ID/gender bill or whether it lets it proceed will be telling as to the tories’ true attitude on GI matters and willingness to engage in this issue. It’s not something that can be fudged.

And old thread, I know.It's just that I've read up on that era & Section 28 (as well as seeing lots of posts on here) and it does seem in practice to have had a bad effect on quite a few things: making teachers uncomfortable about defending from homophobic bullying being only one.

Maybe your area was more lax? I know it varied from area to area.

But I don't think you can dismiss it as having no effect anywhere in the UK.

Presumably you agree with it being repealed?

It's important to note that LGBTQIA+ has been totally overrun with GI. Something like 20% - 30% of Gen Z women are in the LGBTQIA+ community often due to some form of 'non-binary' identity and 'saphic' interest, in spite of their heterosexual (though still somehow kweer) boyfriends and zero interest in or attempts to 'transition' - beyond hair colour and cut, and piercings. For reference gay men make up approximately 2% of the population (including of gen z) and lesbians, likewise, between 1% and 2%. Media never makes an effort to disambiguate the constituency of the LGBTQIA+, and to some extent it wouldn't matter because many respondents especially a certain subtype of 'lesbian' simply lie.

So attacks against LGBTQIA+ is always framed as a right-wing threat to the greater omni-cause to which membership to the LGBTQIA+ is practically a left wing requirement. It's dire for actual gays and lesbians.

👏 Exactly

. I'm Gen Z & bisexual myself but it's annoyingly true that most who say they are are trying to be cool & kweer 🤮 This also means young lesbians get disappointed after being gaslit that they have a huge dating pool.