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Reuters report on detransitioners

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ArabellaScott · 27/12/2022 11:04

www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-outcomes/

Long, detailed and thoughtful piece that looks at evidence and current narratives and treatment in different countries.

This is significant, because Reuters is well respected as a news outlet. Seems a shift from the 'affirmation only' approach, to me.

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Soontobe60 · 27/12/2022 16:46

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2022 12:24

I also noted that parents were told they needed to affirm or their child would commit suicide. I can't imagine the pressure that puts someone under.

I know two different parents that this has happened to. However, it’s the children telling their parents that they will kill themselves if the parents didn’t ‘affirm’, aka pay for PBs privately. The internet has a lot to answer for!

JeanRondeausMadHair · 27/12/2022 17:52

PaterPower · 27/12/2022 11:28

This stood out for me:

However, Bowers, WPATH’s president, is among several gender-care specialists who say patients are ultimately responsible for choices they make about treatment, even as minors. They should not be “blaming the clinician or the people who helped guide them,” she said. “They need to own that final step.”

Some of those regretting their ‘treatment’ are as young as 13 when they stared on PBs.

But they “need to own” what their parents and medical ‘professionals’ facilitated, according to this POS.

aka, "we sold you a pack of lies, but it's your fault for believing us".

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ArabellaScott · 27/12/2022 21:28

patients are ultimately responsible for choices they make about treatment, even as minors

I hope this sentence is read very carefully, many times over, and the implications sink in.

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Boiledbeetle · 27/12/2022 21:33

Minors. Such an odd choice of word when the obvious one would be

CHILDREN
CHILDREN
CHILDREN
CHILDREN
CHILDREN
CHILDREN

Fuckity Fucking bastard weirdos wanting to cut up and medicate kids for no reason and saying they wanted it it's their fault.

I know another group that try to say the child wanted it so they was powerless to resist. Most of them end up doing long stretches in prison.

Delphinium20 · 27/12/2022 21:43

I agree with PP that when it comes to trans anything, children are assumed to have adult accountability. There is nothing so wrong as blaming child victims for adults' mistakes.

I read a recent NYTIMES article on drag Queen story hour and many of the left-wing comments were questioning why anyone would fight to have children exposed to adult entertainment and why the left could believe this was a winning stance to take?

Boiledbeetle · 27/12/2022 21:54

"Oh insert genetic name here" go and sit on the knee of that man with the android suit and fake erect penis darling. Yes. I know we don't know him darling, but it's called inclusivity. Can you say it with me precious...inclusiv......insert genetic name here*... no sweetheart don't brush your nose on the nice androids penis. No it's not a third hand, you're not supposed to hold it.....what mr android you don't mind if it makes him happy and stops him crying?, ok then"

Then they wonder how their kid didn't realise them that Mr I in gym class has been sexually abusing him in his offices for three years as all he had to do was be inclusive like he was with the penis android and hold his penis.

Boiledbeetle · 27/12/2022 21:54

Ooh don't know why half went all bold

Boiledbeetle · 27/12/2022 21:55

Idiots

FOJN · 27/12/2022 23:27

ArabellaScott · 27/12/2022 21:28

patients are ultimately responsible for choices they make about treatment, even as minors

I hope this sentence is read very carefully, many times over, and the implications sink in.

Well quite. It's not just the pharmaceutical industry and "gender surgeons" looking to capitalise on the belief that children can give consent.

EvilBee · 28/12/2022 17:51

It was a good piece, though neglected to emphasise on why people detransition and the rates of re-transition (most detransitioners end up retransitioning).

Boiledbeetle · 28/12/2022 17:57

Well hello again@EvilBee we really must stop meeting like this.

Delphinium20 · 28/12/2022 18:11

There's a severe lack of data to explain why people transition or detransition...so how can the report list all the reasons if it's not being studied?

nepeta · 28/12/2022 18:15

From my scattered readings on various detransitioners' support sites I'd say that detransitioning because of the way the person was treated by others is sometimes mentioned, but it is nowhere near a common explanation, and it's often not possible to distinguish between people being transphobic and the particular person not passing as the other sex.

It's the latter of those which comes up a little more often in the form of reality not matching expectations (when the expectations were based on happy YouTube videos by transitioners who look gorgeous).

Some detransition due to health reasons, but the largest number of explanations clearly is that the person realised they were not transgender, after all, but transitioned to avoid dealing with sexual abuse trauma, misogyny, internalised misogyny, misandry, internalised misandry, homophobia and/or internalised homophobia, unrelated mental disorders or borderline personality issues etc.

Couple of males detransitioned because they had assumed life was easier as a (beautiful) woman/girl and found that not to be the case. I am mentioning that only because I found it so shocking, given that they had taken hormones for that reason.

None of this is based on any kind of statistical sampling, but at least gives an idea of how some detransitioners explain their choices.

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ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 18:32

'The theme that emerged the least frequently in our study was detransition due to trans-related discrimination;

From the author's study, linked to upthread.

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nepeta · 28/12/2022 18:35

ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 18:32

'The theme that emerged the least frequently in our study was detransition due to trans-related discrimination;

From the author's study, linked to upthread.

Yes, I saw that, and wanted to reinforce the message as on Twitter, at least, tras tell us that it's the discrimination which is the only reason for detransitioning.

tobee · 28/12/2022 18:35

I read this, and linked on another thread, a few days ago. What struck me is the mental contortions that the report author had to go through!

Like so much of the TRA agenda, your app leaving out the bleeding obvious! Angry

tobee · 28/12/2022 18:36

*you are

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ArabellaScott · 28/12/2022 19:01

Full quote:

''The theme that emerged the least frequently in our study was detransition due to trans-related discrimination; it was exclusively transfeminine spectrum participants who felt their detransition was forced by lack of family support or workplace discrimination.''

'Males in different outcomes than females' shocker.

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