Trans rights bill bitterly divides Spanish left. The bill is to be voted on this week.

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A transgender rights bill to be voted on this week has sparked bitter divisions within Spain's ruling left-wing coalition, pitting its powerful feminist lobby against LGBTQ equality campaigners.

The draft bill effectively simplifies the procedure for changing gender on a person's national identity card, allowing them to request the change based on a simple statement.

The law for the "genuine equality of trans people and for the guarantee of LGBTI rights" which will be put to a vote on Thursday is one of the flagship projects of the equality ministry which is held by Podemos, the radical left-wing junior partner in Spain's Socialist-led coalition.

If approved, the bill will move to the Senate and if left unchanged, as expected, will become law within weeks.

It would make Spain one of the few countries in the world to allow transgender people to change their status with a simple declaration.

The legislation lets anyone from age 16 freely change their designated sex on their ID card, dropping the requirement for a medical report attesting to gender dysphoria or proof of hormonal treatment.

Those as young as 12 would be able to apply to make the change -- but only under certain conditions.

Opposed in its entirety by the right, the bill has not only sown strife within the coalition but has split Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez's Socialist party and created divisions within the feminist movement.

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Just posting for info, but the irony of this vote being tomorrow the same day as the vote in Scotland,

The feminists in Spain are well organised but the politics are similar..the coalition will break apart if this goes through. The left will not give up. Again it has been secretly brought forward with no discussion until recently in the media. Since Franco everyone bends over to be tolerant and no one sees the issue as important. Feeling sick today.

I noticed there were quite a few Spanish speakers on the #TranswomenareConmen hashtag and this explains why. Sadly I don't speak Spanish.

Does it look likely to pass?

It would be interesting to see how this would actually work out. Obviously there are serious fraud issues here, and unfortunately for every genuine transgender application there will be a few hundred opportunists ready and waiting to exploit the hell out of it. Either way, no one will know unless it's given a chance, and the outcome may surprise the trans community far more than the feminists. Give it a year trial period because it's the only way to shut the whole alphabet (straight gay etc) up.

Give it a year trial period because it's the only way to shut the whole alphabet (straight gay etc) up.

This isn’t how law works though. It will be brought in as a permanent change and changing it back can then only be done by repealing it, which will probably require stringent levels of proof that the law is problematic, which will take years to obtain. This is why they’ve been so keen to force it through under the radar and with little debate.

Arguing that it affects women’s rights in a theoretical manner before it’s made law doesn’t require anything like the level of proof that’s going to be needed to remove a supposed established right. See also the attempts to establish customs ahead of the law, so that any pushback can be described as removing an established right. It’s all been very carefully orchestrated.

I wonder if these events as regards their Senate are connected? I had previously understood that their gender bill was passed.

Pure speculation as I don't speak Spanish or follow their politics so we are having to go on what's available in English and see if we can understand what's happening.

From the OP:

If approved, the bill will move to the Senate and if left unchanged, as expected, will become law within weeks.

From this Times article:

The Constitutional Court, which has a conservative majority, has prevented the senate from voting on a bill to reform how judges are elected to key judicial bodies — including the Constitutional Court itself. The lower house had approved the bill last week.

Row over Spain’s judiciary turns into battle for ‘democracy’

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dfeac86e-814c-11ed-933d-2ad94f4b2285?shareToken=2e1f1fc5e080a90b209bbe65b3b9b829

Nothing is simple - or quick - in Spain. They'll be waiting the year to receive the updated card 😂

Update

Spain’s trans law to allow gender change from 14

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/185dbbd6-8218-11ed-933d-2ad94f4b2285?shareToken=281fb16597fde520e6440009ff34eb09

The bill passed the lower house of parliament by 188 to 150 votes and will go to the Senate for final approval. It is expected to become law within weeks.

14 years old?????

It was passed same as in Scotland 😱

14 - this is what the Scottish Greens will be pushing for next. They'll keep pushing. Maggie Chapman referenced '6 and 7 year olds' when talking about lowering the age for a GRC.

Why are all these laws being passed around the same time?

cant find anybody on here talking about the front page of the Telegraph today, F..... Starmer, 'Pro-trans laws needed cross UK; , says Starmer OMGG

I find the whole legal status thing utterly depressing and yes disturbing (as my autocorrect helpfully prompted).
Every official statistic now on women's status, rights, progress, career prospects, board members, education, healthcare, prison population, rape stats and crime statistics etc etc will be meaningless if bolshy attention seeking men now count in the same data.
So helpful stuff like this: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GenderInequalityy_Index
Will be pointless.
I can't help but think how many govts and FTSE 100 companies are aware of this and quite happy for these self promoting men to count in these difficult metrics where they get held to account internationally?
We need another gender for legal status - we need "female" to have the same meaning it always has else all our progress is at risk

I am truly on the edge now, if Starmer gets in this will be the end, NO, im not a trans Hater, I hate what is happening to us, Females, our rights, our place in the world, so many aspects of our lives are being trashed on the altar of 'be kind' im sick of it, i have 27 year old daughter who is still captured I fear.

That is indeed the question. Germany and the Netherlands are all also working on it. Sadly here in the Netherlands we have no way back from the redefinition of sex to mean a paper tickmark as there is no definition of the word biological sex (geslacht) in our constitution and it was already redefined in 2014, similar to the GRA. We don't have anything like the EA so women have already lost the right to be a sex separate from men. Our government is actually using that as a reason to downplay the objections to the new law that will make the paper change easier: the definition of sex is already non biological so this new law doesn't change anything...

But it does lead us to wonder why are all these laws changed at the same time....

This is all terrifying, I genuinely feel scared about the future. It will take a new civil rights movement by women to have a chance of rolling back to where we were just a few years ago.

A friend’s daughter in Spain was given cross ax hormones extremely quickly after self harm and rapid onset gender issues at 16. Then a double mastectomy at 17.
Seventeen ! Autistic spectrum and I think a lesbian. Absolutely tragic.
How anyone can think this is progressive is beyond me.

Cross sex not cross ax. Typing distractedly !