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A trans-identified man assaulted a student at a university in Brazil after being told to leave. The female student might face expulsion

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xbluefairytale · 20/12/2022 12:19

A black lesbian student at UNB - an institution at Brazil's capital, Brasilia, challenged the presence of a white man in the women's toilet on campus on December 14, 2022. The man, who now calls himself Brigitte Lucia Santos but was registered at birth as a male called Tulio Henrique Carvalho dos Santos, physically assaulted her. “Jane” (a pseudonym to protect the victim) went to the women's toilet at Darcy Ribeiro campus’ restaurant after lunch and saw a “tall, bearded man” there, who she’d never met before.

“I approached him and told him that this was the female toilet,” she told 4W, “and he said that he was a transexual woman. I denied that he was a woman, because he has a beard, a male voice and a male height.” That’s when she said that Santos started advancing towards her, in an aggressive manner. “He would have hit me if another woman had not arrived and defended me,” Jane said.

“This woman hugged me and took me to the head office so we could make a complaint. At this moment, this man left the toilet and also came to the office to report me for transphobia” said Jane. “He kept calling me ‘transphobe,’ pointing a finger at me, but I didn’t understand how I was ‘transphobic.’” Jane says that she is not against “transexual women” and has no issues with them using the female toilet, but “he was not trans.”

“That’s when I took my phone out and started filming the aggression,” Jane says. “He cornered me and tried to make me get into a physical fight with him.”

In the video, Santos starts saying: "This here, is foreseen and equivalent to racism." Jane says: Man, but you are a man. He shouts "I'M NOT A MAN! THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS ME FROM SLAPPING YOU IN THE FACE! Are you going to (beate me)? Are you going to? Are you going to? Girl (Garota)? You must respect me! Respect me! Girl! Respect me! Respect me!"

“There was a point in which he cornered me in the office and shoved me against the glass wall, and I hit my head and an arm, which still hurts.”

4w.pub/brazil-trans-identified-man-violence/?s=08

If this is not a wake up call to women, I don't know what it is

The man in question:

A trans-identified man assaulted a student at a university in Brazil after being told to leave. The female student might face expulsion
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RethinkingLife · 20/12/2022 12:30

How odd that the experience of one sex leads to valorisation for demanding respect at the threat of physical violence.

The experience of the historically oppressed sex leads to a threat of expulsion.

I might think it's same old oppression and hierarchy in somewhat different clothes rather than a Brave New World. BUt that's why I'm a re-education gulag occupant in waiting.

FunnyTalks · 20/12/2022 13:41

Yup I'm putting myself straight back on the bus to the gulag too. My brain just can't seem to comprehend their female essence which is no doubt shining brightly through their actions and words, if only I wasn't too transphobic to see it! Must. Try. Harder.

howdoesatoastermaketoast · 20/12/2022 16:37

I am a woman because I say I am; and because I am a woman I'm allowed to hit you.

Not all transwoman are a danger to women (but they don't belong in single sex spaces) but some of them are.

Crunchyb · 20/12/2022 16:57

I would appreciate it if posters on this board stop using black people to bolster their arguments. We want equality, not special victim status. Yes, there is sometimes a vulnerability or a power imbalance that makes it relevant to mention a black ethnic origin, but when posters use the experiences of black people to make or strengthen arguments against gender ideology, it often feels like exploitation. Would your feelings about this scenario be different if the woman was white and the trans-identifying male was black? I doubt it. So why mention their ethnic origins? How does that change things for you?

justasking111 · 20/12/2022 17:03

Crunchyb · 20/12/2022 16:57

I would appreciate it if posters on this board stop using black people to bolster their arguments. We want equality, not special victim status. Yes, there is sometimes a vulnerability or a power imbalance that makes it relevant to mention a black ethnic origin, but when posters use the experiences of black people to make or strengthen arguments against gender ideology, it often feels like exploitation. Would your feelings about this scenario be different if the woman was white and the trans-identifying male was black? I doubt it. So why mention their ethnic origins? How does that change things for you?

The journalist in the article brought it up.

That video was frightening.

Rightsraptor · 20/12/2022 17:07

I thought the same as you initially @Crunchyb, but when I read that he, a white male had said:

'This here is forseen and equivalent to racism'

to her, a black female - well, doesn't that sound even more manipulative and plain wrong than if she were white?

Helleofabore · 20/12/2022 17:07

Crunchyb · 20/12/2022 16:57

I would appreciate it if posters on this board stop using black people to bolster their arguments. We want equality, not special victim status. Yes, there is sometimes a vulnerability or a power imbalance that makes it relevant to mention a black ethnic origin, but when posters use the experiences of black people to make or strengthen arguments against gender ideology, it often feels like exploitation. Would your feelings about this scenario be different if the woman was white and the trans-identifying male was black? I doubt it. So why mention their ethnic origins? How does that change things for you?

I read that the male used racism as an equivalence.

In the video, Santos starts saying: "This here, is foreseen and equivalent to racism."

Helleofabore · 20/12/2022 17:07

Cross post!!

justasking111 · 20/12/2022 17:10

The toilets on campus are the most dangerous places. That's just awful

The aggressive student has been studying there for ten years. Brazil has a problem with its university

Crunchyb · 20/12/2022 17:22

justasking111
Rightsraptor
Helleofabore

Fair enough.

FOJN · 20/12/2022 17:23

"I'M NOT A MAN! THERE'S NOTHING THAT PREVENTS ME FROM SLAPPING YOU IN THE FACE!

Talk about giving yourself away.

Isn't there a university somewhere is south America where they have had to install panic alarms inside the cubicles in the female toilets because there was such a high number of sexual assaults.

BernardBlacksMolluscs · 20/12/2022 17:54

who the fuck is supporting the idea that that man has any place in the women's toilets? who are the students staging the 'free my pipi' protest?

justasking111 · 20/12/2022 18:08

Had a dip into Google and women's rights, it's pretty awful. Pre covid 5th in the world for domestic violence femicide, which increased substantially during covid.

HootyMcboob76 · 20/12/2022 18:28

This is a disgusting and terrifying video, and I REALLY don't understand why the woman in question is still defending the rights of "trans women" to use female spaces if they are "trans" enough.
What is trans enough? Is it because this person still has a beard? Is tall? Had a male voice? (all things she is quoted as saying).
So if he had shaved, didn't wear heels and put on a silly voice, that would make him passable and therefore give him the golden key to use the female facilities?

I just don't get this.
You are TRANS if you SAY you are TRANS - isn't that what we keep getting told? So if you are okay with ONE type of trans person entering, you've got to be okay with ALL of them entering.
Or NONE.
This is why it is a ridiculous logic to allow ANY males (regardless of the level of their "transness" into female spaces.
If we are only going to let in the ones who "pass", what does that say about us as females? We don't care if you are actually a man as long as you make a bit of an effort to dupe us?

Remember, people like Blair White and their ilk are as much MALE as the trans person in this video.

As a Scot, I hope Nicola Sturgeon comes across this video and sees just what she is pushing forward in my country. Anything that happens after this will be her fault entirely.
Any blood that might be shed will be on her hands.

PicturesOfDogs · 20/12/2022 21:53

Such a… feminine response.

They violence is just escalating and escalating, and they are becoming more and more emboldened while women are punished and assaulted for pointing out the facts.

DuesToTheDirt · 20/12/2022 22:37

"You are TRANS if you SAY you are TRANS - isn't that what we keep getting told? So if you are okay with ONE type of trans person entering, you've got to be okay with ALL of them entering."

It's even worse than that though. There are no ID checks in toilets, changing rooms, other "women"-only spaces. If a transwoman can come in, so can any man - they don't have to prove they are trans, or even say they are. No-one is allowed to challenge them any more. I can tell the difference between a woman and a transwoman, but I can't tell the difference between a transwoman and a man. Probably because transwomen are men.

HootyMcboob76 · 21/12/2022 01:14

DuesToTheDirt · 20/12/2022 22:37

"You are TRANS if you SAY you are TRANS - isn't that what we keep getting told? So if you are okay with ONE type of trans person entering, you've got to be okay with ALL of them entering."

It's even worse than that though. There are no ID checks in toilets, changing rooms, other "women"-only spaces. If a transwoman can come in, so can any man - they don't have to prove they are trans, or even say they are. No-one is allowed to challenge them any more. I can tell the difference between a woman and a transwoman, but I can't tell the difference between a transwoman and a man. Probably because transwomen are men.

Agreed.
And that is why this ideology is so damn dangerous for women and girls.

There is no difference between transwomen and men except from a belief in the head of that person.

Even if I believed that transwomen were somehow different from men (I don't) I just cannot believe that some people refuse to see how this opens up the gates for any male, for whatever reason, to use the law to gain access to get nearer to vulnerable women and girls.

And that makes me very suspicious of people who spend a lot of time arguing for that.

xbluefairytale · 21/12/2022 06:48

Crunchyb · 20/12/2022 16:57

I would appreciate it if posters on this board stop using black people to bolster their arguments. We want equality, not special victim status. Yes, there is sometimes a vulnerability or a power imbalance that makes it relevant to mention a black ethnic origin, but when posters use the experiences of black people to make or strengthen arguments against gender ideology, it often feels like exploitation. Would your feelings about this scenario be different if the woman was white and the trans-identifying male was black? I doubt it. So why mention their ethnic origins? How does that change things for you?

I brought it up because the man compared transphobia to racism while talking to the girl, something that she lives on every day. Sorry if it seemed that I was tokenizing her.

Talking about tokenization, that was the flyer of the act in the guy's favor. Two black people to represent a white dude. In times when minorities are being clashed against each other, is useful to know who really each one of them is

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