Men do not understand risks of gender reform, says UN expert

[ResisterRex]

In The Times:

Men do not understand risks of gender reform, says UN expert

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bc237744-7ff0-11ed-ab78-11b70ed96428?shareToken=024f2da887c000c8ad0be69747137010

[Alsalem] said some women had chosen to “self exclude” themselves from women’s spaces to avoid sharing them with trans women.

“I have been contacted personally by a number of women’s organisations in all their diversity, including trans women, that have said self-exclusion is a concern for them,” she said. “They say the understanding of the need for dignity is not present, that there doesn’t need to be contact-based sexual violence.

“You have somebody in your space that will look at you, that will flash you, that you fear being in their vicinity. This is also a form of violence. I’m afraid being male - a male identifying as a man - you [MacGregor] may not understand these issues.

“It also comes down to who you ask about these things and whose voices do we hear about these issues, because of course men do not go through these same experiences and therefore may not have a full understanding of the implications of something as simple as that and as essential as that.”"

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Madrigal-Borloz just doesn't want to understand does he.

What a creepy man. His default position is that women lie about what men do. The UN pay him 100,000 plus a year to be this disgusting. These institutions are a joke.

It is 100% true that men absolutely do not get it. I was speaking to my males colleagues about this and they were unanimous in thinking that women just need to call out the bad actors as they present themselves in the moment and the problem goes away. The level of ignorance and naivety was startling. One of them has a 5 year old daughter that his whole life absolutely revolves around and even he didn’t have the social imagination to see the impact this could potentially have for her.

I also liked the comment about rather than trying to second guess (and judge the living daylights) women's reasons for self exclusion, the issue is to make services accessible for all.

Equality of consideration and care for those humans not in the special interest group of the SNP. That is all that is being requested.

'Alsalem admitted that evidence has not been “consolidated and analysed”, making isolated anecdotes easier to dismiss but she insisted “there is an issue that we see in many countries in Europe and across the world”.'

This is slightly wrongly presented. Alsalem didn't 'admit' it, she made this point very clearly - the evidence is there but hasn't been taken seriously and that is why it hasn't been consolidated and analysed. The research necessary hasn't been done because women who try to raise the issue are painted as bigots.

She said more than once that trying to present this as a 'culture war' is incorrect - this is a human rights issue, and women's lived experience is evidence.

'Madrigal-Borloz said: “My advice is [provide] evidence. Stigma is fuelled by lack of evidence and the hope that your voice is loud enough, or strong enough, or appears to be supported by a sufficient number of persons that that becomes the evidence in itself.

“So far what the evidence tells me is this connection [between self-identification and violence against women] is artificial.”'

Yes, he's directly saying that women's fears are 'artificial'.

For some reason, transwomen's fears are taken so seriously that heaven and earth are moved to accommodate them, but women's fears are just based on stigma.

If he wants 'evidence' we could compare the figures for assault and murder of trans people in Scotland with the same for women.

Women obviously have the wrong type of lived experience.

"Stigma is fuelled by lack of evidence"

It is. If women are being stigmatised for their fears and views then so it follows that evidence might not be collected.

This is enraging and heartbreaking.

The truth is that the vast majority of crimes males commit against women don't get reported, let alone see justice. The lies that women tend to tell are to themselves: that it wasn't really rape because he wasn't a stranger; that he wouldn't have hit her if he hadn't been so stressed and he won't do it again; that if she can just be good enough he will change; that something bad about her made the creepy uncle do that / made that man on the bus do that/ made the guy on the street shout that.

The more this goes on, the more I reserve the right to consider any male who doesn't get it a potential threat to women.

Yes, and vice versa - evidence is not collected and then 'absence of evidence' is used to suggest 'evidence of absence', which is used to paint women as bigoted liars.

Funnytalks absolutely - also, some of the things that are relevant - such as self exclusion - are only going to be found if there is a decent, applied effort to find them. How would one assess how many women have self excluded from a rape crisis service? Who would you ask?

The govts funded women's groups have clearly asked all their users if they've self excluded ...

My male colleague said he wasn't bothered about his daughters' school changing to unisex toilets, his daughters are 10 and 12!!!!

Most men haven’t the faintest idea about this issue. You have to present it to them in a very everyday, personalised way eg “How do you feel about there being a man in the cubicle next to your teenage daughter/sister/elderly mother while they’re trying on bras in M&S?” for the penny to drop. I’ve seen it happen - the realisation spreading across their face as they finally twig that “showing understanding to a very persecuted group of people” could EASILY affect those dearest to them in a horrible way.

Then said men hurriedly backtrack or - if they’re particularly stubborn/misogynistic - deny there’s any connection between the two. Or minimise: oh but it’s only ONE male swimmer, yada yada 🙄

Uphill battle. But thanks for the link.

Am I understanding correctly that when VMB was asked whether any other countries have done any monitoring he dismissed the need for this as it would be 'looking for a problem'. Surely if you truly believe that placing males in female prisons and domestic violence shelters causes absolutely no problem, you would want to show this through evidence? If 'Stigma is caused by lack of evidence' then wouldn't you want the evidence? I would love to see an analysis of exactly what he said because he seemed to be very clearly saying; no study of evidence is necessary and there is no evidence to suggest that this might be a problem and looking for evidence might find a problem which wouldn't be there if we didn't look for evidence of it.

Give him another eight years or so and perhaps he may get it…or perhaps not…

Of course men don’t really care, because they are not affected. Trans men usually seem to be quite small, they are not going to be afraid if they find a woman with a bit of facial hair using their spaces ( although they might be disquieted, one chap I asked about this said it was an invasion of privacy,,o how I laughed inside). I don’t think TW are much threat to men, they at worst just think they are ‘weird’. I’m afraid that quite a few men feel that we pesky women have deserved what is happening, with our desire for equality.

So it goes on.

Surely the moment that man called women "non-transwomen and girls " was the moment to say "No, thank you". While muttering "go fuck yourself, you wanker" under your breath.

For some reason, transwomen's fears are taken so seriously that heaven and earth are moved to accommodate them, but women's fears are just based on stigma.

Nail on head.

Agree. Very sadly.

Interesting, if depressing, survey questions here from Wings OVer Scotland.

The huge majority of voters (of all parties) believe GRR will compromise women's safety.

This doesn't seem to bother them.

wingsoverscotland.com/why-do-snp-voters-hate-women/comment-page-1/#comment-2721770

Making it emphatically clear that TW are seen as men and accorded sex based privilege.

Even while everyone pretends that both groups are women.

Thank you for the share. I don’t think I can say here what I believe are the true motives for some male people supporting these proposals.

Sorry, that survey link seems to go to a comment for some reason.

Link again: wingsoverscotland.com/why-do-snp-voters-hate-women/

Simple and perfect! But he will have to ignore this solid evidence, or admit he’s blindly biased against women.