Surely their victimhood narrative causes more harm?

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This appeared on my twitter.

JKR isn't putting people in danger, however this person's post is - they are brainwashing trans people into thinking others want them dead.

Why aren't these TRAs being called out more for gaslighting trans people?

Thanks for the book recommendation @Helleofabore I shall read it.

When I was a teenager my daydreams were of heroism. I adored revolutionaries, fancied male politicos, idolised militant suffragettes and took part in Women’s Liberation actions (as much as I dated).

When did being a dreary passive-aggressive victim become fashionable?

as much as I dated = as much as I dared!

Her book is brilliant, but also if you also wanted a good overview, here is a great interview with Helen Joyce from a few years ago, where she sets out very clearly the various problems and issues with gender identity ideology -

The open letter from the Deptford Women's Project throws another beam of light on this, there are many aspects all tied up together. The sentimentalising and fetishising of deprivation. You can see bits of it on many threads across the board at the moment in the discussions of whether some are beginning to cosplay fuel poverty when they have no real concerns about being able to pay bills.

Years ago now, a comedian did a sketch on all this, about 'I wanna go on the train... put my shoes in the pile', in a tone of deprived whining about being excluded from the holocaust. I thought at the time it was extremely distasteful, extreme and unhelpful. However after years of being 'educated' relentlessly by this political movement and its proponents, I think now he probably had a much clearer view of what was going on than many.

The open letter from the Deptford Women's Project

This? archive.vn/bJCdw. Well worth a read.

It always reminds me of Neitzche's description of the change from a master to a slave morality.

It's like we've moved from a landscape where being brave, taking action, keeping it together, is admired, to one where being passive, being a victim, whining, and having inadequate personality development is admired.

So all these young people coming up are trying their hardest to fit into that mould.

I'm late to this discussion but think it's very interesting and have been pondering some of these things for a while.

We seem to be at a point in history where there is a recognition of marginalisation, and the effect this can have on people, alongside an awareness/ destigmatisation of mental ill health which can go hand in hand with the above. This is mainly a good thing but the flip side is that people who perceive themselves as in a marginalised group will interpret their experiences within this framework and appeal to others based on this. I mean, we do this in a way by highlighting the plight of various vulnerable groups of women. It's not until you drill down into the issues that it's clearer who genuinely needs us to "be kind" and who is taking the piss.

I think a comment made by a poster on another thread is pertinent too - that a lot of troubled young people, being "aware of their privilege", maybe feel they need to have some kind of marginalised identity to explain or get sympathy for their distress. (Hope I'm not paraphrasing too wildly!) This may also relate to the high incidence of autism in teens who wish to transition - they do struggle, in a myriad of small but significant ways in everyday life, and appealing for support and understanding based on "being trans" appears to be a lot more successful than doing so on the basis of being boring old (genuinely marginalised) autistic people.

The interesting question is why? Why are so many people quick to support the TRA cause, in comparison to other movements or various appeals for societal support from other groups?
One thing that has always struck me is the way suicide and threats of suicide are taken so seriously in this group. Having had appalling experiences of mental health services (in the 00's) as a traumatised and undiagnosed autistic young woman, whereby talking about suicidal feelings was dismissed as a manipulative tactic, I find it incredible that these people aren't just dismissed as attention-seeking and manipulative (even where there is actually genuine distress and therapy would be helpful). In a way it's the thing that most makes me think they're not actually marginalised! (Perhaps the psychiatric system would be sceptical and dismissive of their distress, and that's why they don't want it classified as a mental health problem.)