Victor Madrigal-Borloz (UN) supports ScotGov's GRR

[ArabellaScott]

Well, of course he does. Victor cares a lot about males, and not at all about women, from everything I've seen.

'...he said any efforts to water down the legislation could be born of prejudice against trans women - who are "among the most vilified, disenfranchised and stigmatised" people in the world.'

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-63993415

he said any efforts to water down the legislation could be born of prejudice against trans women - who are "among the most vilified, disenfranchised and stigmatised" people in the world.

This is one of those 'repeat it often enough and loudly enough and people will accept it as fact without actually bothering to check if it is' statements, isn't it?

What of transmen, then? Do they not feature in his support at all? Very telling.

Don't forget this consultation deadline 15th Jan.
The Independent Expert on protection against violence and discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity (IE SOGI), Mr. Victor Madrigal-Borloz, will dedicate his report to the 53rd session of the United Nations Human Rights Council to an exploration of the right to freedom of religion or belief (FoRB) in relation to sexual orientation and gender identity (SOGI). Taking as points of departure international human rights law, and a rights-based approach centered on indivisibility and interdependence, the IE SOGI will explore the legal, political, and ethical dynamics between the human rights of persons with diverse sexual orientations and gender identities and the human right to freedom of religion or belief, as well as the narratives surrounding the implementation of these sets of rights.

www.ohchr.org/en/calls-for-input/2023/call-input-thematic-report-freedom-religion-or-belief-forb-and-sexual
It all seems never ending.

He made no reference whatsoever to women or trans men.

Strangely.

You'd never know that the majority of people in the west who have identified as trans in the last 5 or so years were female. Amazing, why do these trans people's needs seem so invisible, it's a mystery indeed.

Wonder if he’s noticed any of the horrific acts of violence committed against women across the world and who commits them?

Obviously males being 'vilified, disenfranchised and stigmatised' is far more important that women being raped and murdered!

The girls having their breasts cut off don’t seem to distress these idiots, though.

Is that because we are mainly privileged white woman and girls?

Would he be saying the same thing if it was happening elsewhere in the World?

Tell my how that enjoy Robyn Woof from Edinburgh Uni the other night is an oppressed minority? How is he vilified? He should have been arrested for his aggressive behaviour, instead he is treated like the great example if protecting human rights (I Don't think females are human anymore).

It's an interesting contrast to Reem Asalem- who was at great pains to be as inclusive and balanced as possible in her report; referring to, and seeking to look out for, the protection of all groups who would be affected by the GRR.

Reem is a female.

Even with all that is being thrown at us, we still consider them and try and be as inclusive as possible

The other person is male. Women are not even worth a second thought.

Indeed Abccde I missed the obvious there.

Liz Throssell, spokesperson for the UN high commissioner for human rights, backed the view of Mr Madrigal-Borloz.

"Around the world, including in the UK, there is clear data highlighting disproportionate rates of violence, harassment and hate crimes against trans women.

hmm let's just correct that for her : "Around the world, including in the UK, there is clear data highlighting disproportionate rates of violence, harassment and hate crimes against trans women"

That seems more likely!

clear data highlighting disproportionate rates of violence, harassment and hate crimes against trans women.

of transwomen killed in the UK last year = 0

of women killed in the UK last year = 177 (y/e March 2021)

I suppose one could say it is disproportionate.

Good god, I don't know how or why the text came out so ... disproportionate.

Obviously the computer decided it was worth saying loudly and largely!😁

"Around the world, including in the UK, there is clear data highlighting disproportionate rates of violence, harassment and hate crimes against trans women.

I want very much to see all the data on this. No doubt there are places where trans women are at great risk of violence, harassment, and hate crimes. But women, in similar places and doing similar things, are also at great risk of violence, harassment, and hate crimes.

The dilemma I have with the data I have seen is that statistics on the most extreme type of violence, murder, do not really support that argument. Transgender people, overall, are not at higher risk of becoming homicide victims than people in general, and where they are killed at higher rates is places where homicide rates are higher overall (South America), and where they are most likely to work in prostitution. The homicide rates of women working as prostitutes in those countries are also very high.

We need to collect good data on all this, and that data should take into account different mitigation rates women and men use, say (eg women are less likely to go out alone after dark). What data is available today is hard to compare because it comes from different sources (often separately for transgender respondents) using different sampling methods and asking different types of questions. Ideally we need both general surveys and police data.

Oh dear. Nicola will be pleased. What a fucking mess we’re in.

Yeah, a load of TRAs lobbied your man to produce a letter for them to give teacher so could we also all please be impressed by the spontaneity; genuine depth of feeling; intimate knowledge of an issue they’ve clearly followed closely; & complete absence of attempts at emotional manipulation using what we’ve long known are utter lies. Well, sometimes they contain strands of truths so twisted as to make their distant origins hard to recognise; but the end products are still a[n ugly] fabrication - & even when identified as lies, the key turns & the flame flickers & lies about the lies tumble out.

One would think it would be something to celebrate, not being a vulnerable minority. Yet just as we saw with some groups with covid, some people want to be what they see as ✨special✨. People going bananas because they were “only” clinically vulnerable not “clinically extremely vulnerable” was, well, bananas. (People pretending to be in the latter group not the former was a whole other thing. Especially when they just sacked off shielding because they didn’t actually fancy it. Not that I’m bitter.) People wanting to be seen as somehow special & precious & fragile is a deeply depressing feature of C21 life. Or rather, how widespread & socially accepted it is for people to self-ID as such is - the evolutions of online spaces for people (predominantly girls & [younger] women) with eating disorders from the 1990s saw lots of spaces where the desire to be [viewed/understood] in a similar way was freely expressed. In recovery-oriented spaces it’d be challenged; in ProAna ones, the idea of emaciation making you worthy prevailed. Some ProAna spaces were about trying to spin anorexia nervosa as a lifestyle choice not a mental illness; lots were full of [hangry] people with anorexia raging about “wannarexics” (ie the social contagion crowd fortunate enough to lack a genetic switch to trip). But that was a very small part of the internet; and the real world wasn’t having any truck with it. Now we are all meant to play along - to “validate”. And remember 2 + 2 = 5.

VMB is a signatory to Yogyakarta plus 10. Fruit of a very poisonous tree.

yogyakartaprinciples.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/A5_yogyakartaWEB-2.pdf

I wish Wintermute would do more to persuade his fellow signatories to undo this.

sex-matters.org/posts/updates/yogyakarta-principles/