Does anyone have a share token for Janice Turner in the Times today?

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I have managed to read it on Twitter but would love a share token to share the article. It’s shocking.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0caeb050-7bed-11ed-bcd8-855e06175970?shareToken=20407e0ff152d4cfc60107d971d70cff

Super thanks x

Thanks for the link SilverGlassHare

"This week a Scottish court ruled that a man becomes female just by obtaining a piece of paper."

I think it must really annoy trans activists that the only people who need a certificate declaring that they are "women" are men. I sometimes wonder if in the future trans activists will demand that everybody must apply for a gender recognition certificate once they hit 16 because why should trans people have to apply to have their gender recognised when nobody else does.

Signalbox · Today 14:04
Thanks for the link SilverGlassHare

I sometimes wonder if in the future trans activists will demand that everybody must apply for a gender recognition certificate once they hit 16 because why should trans people have to apply to have their gender recognised when nobody else does.

What a good point. That would follow the ludicrous logic of the coerced use of pronouns at work.

SilverGlassHare · Today 09:52
Thank you very much for the link.

This week a Scottish court ruled that a man becomes female just by obtaining a piece of paper. Lady Haldane’s judgment on the Equality Act 2010 is extraordinary. She argues that if those who drafted the legislation had believed sex was only “biological” they would have included that word. Yet back then, before gender ideology infected public policy, no one dreamt that “sex” could mean anything but material reality.

Please would anyone reading this at home look to see if they have a good dictionary pre 2010 - but say from 1990 - 2010 to see what the dictionary said ‘sex’ meant.

I am certain the primary meaning in the U.K. in those times that it referred to whether someone is male or female.

Then look up the definition of ‘male’ and ‘female’ in those same dictionaries. I think the definition may describe biology in some way.

In light of her judgement, what I wonder does Lady Haldane make of the 2010 Equality Act referring to sexual orientation?

According to her, did the law makers think to include “biological sex” in this protected characteristic of being same sex attracted? If not, does she think the law makers in 2010 intended to mean that a gay man could be attracted to either men or women who are transmen? And that lesbians may be attracted to either other women or transwomen?

I've got a Chambers English Dictionary from 1990:

"that by which an animal or plant is male or female: the quality of being male or female: either the divisions according to this, or its members collectively: the whole domain connected with this distinction"

Signalbox · Today 19:51
I've got a Chambers English Dictionary from 1990:

"that by which an animal or plant is male or female: the quality of being male or female: either the divisions according to this, or its members collectively: the whole domain connected with this distinction"

Thanks for looking that up, Signal
And as it says that by which something is male or female, when you look up ‘male’ and ‘female’ what does it say then?

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So your dictionary defines ‘sex’ as
that by which an animal or plant is male or female: the quality of being male or female

‘male’ as
Adj. masculine: of or pertaining to the sex that begets (not bears) young; or produces relatively small gametes.(Then there is a botanical version.)

‘female’ as
noun. a woman or girl. Any animal or plant of the same sex as a woman. Adj. of the sex that produces young or eggs, fructifications or seeds. of the sex characterised by relatively large gametes.

These 1990 definitions from your Chambers Dictionary could not be more biological. Begetting or bearing young, having relatively small or relatively large gametes, producing eggs or seeds.

The person who oversaw the 2010 Equalities Act only 10 years after your dictionary, was Harriet Hartman b. 1950 so aged sixty at the time. It seems likely she would have had a similar idea of what sex meant as that described in that dictionary.

As Janice Turner said:
Lady Haldane’s judgment on the Equality Act 2010 is extraordinary. She argues that if those who drafted the legislation had believed sex was only “biological” they would have included that word. Yet back then, before gender ideology infected public policy, no one dreamt that “sex” could mean anything but material reality.

I think you are right scrollingleaves. When people look backwards I think they forget how fast and recently the meanings of words have changed in relation to the trans narrative. Even 5 years ago the language was completely different. It's absurd to say that lawmakers would have used the term "biological sex" to refer to sex. And anyway isn't using the word "biological" in relation to sex supposed to be a transphobic dog whistle?

For 1995 1996 I have the Oxford Reference Dictionary, though this is like a shortened version and not the most authoritative.
For ‘sex’ it says:
1. Either of the main divisions (male and female) into which living things are placed on the basis of their reproductive functions
2. The fact of belonging to one of these divisions.

Male
1. Of the sex that can beget offspring by fertilisation or insemination.
2. Of men or male animals, plants etc.

Female
1. Of the sex that can bear offspring or produce eggs.
^2. Of plants or their parts, fruit bearing: having a pistil and no stamens.

The Shorter Oxford Dictionary 1973 ( when Harriet Harman was 23).
Sex
1. Either of the two divisions of organic beings distinguished as male and female (esp. of the human race).
2. Quality in respect of being male or female respectively.
3. The distinction between male and female in general.

Female
A. Adj. belonging to the sex which bears offspring.
2. Bot. Of the parts of a plant, fruit-bearing.

Male
A. Adj. Of or belonging to the sex which begets offspring, or performs a fecundating function.

The understanding of sex used to be that it meant male or female,
and male and female were understood in biological terms. Dictionaries from close to the time of the Equalities Act 2010 referenced biology directly in definitions of sex.

It would be good if anyone had the proper Oxford Dictionary published at a date even closer to 2010.

This is apt for Lady Haldane’s judgement imo.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
who will guard the guards themselves?

Latin for “who will guard the guards themselves?” Generally used to describe a situation in which a person or body having power to supervise or scrutinise the actions of others, is not itself or themselves subject to supervision or scrutiny.