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Telegraph: Transgender toddler is the hero of Stonewall children's book

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ResisterRex · 15/12/2022 08:32

Apart from the medicalisation of minors, which this article explores in depth, books as described here raise the prospect that children who are sexually abused would not be able to give clear evidence if they have been confused about who are boys and who are girls.

How could they be sure their abuser was male, if they aren't sure what's the difference between boys and girls? And if they've been told to respect pronouns?

Lying to children about biology is deeply sinister and plays into the hands of sexual predators.

What are they playing at?

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/12/14/transgender-toddler-hero-stonewall-childrens-book/

"One, titled ‘10,000 Dresses’ by Marcus Ewert, an American writer, is about parents who insist their child Bailey is a boy, despite the youngster's insistence on being a girl.
Safeguarding campaignerss said last night it was “disgusting” that the UK’s biggest LGBT+ charityy could be urging children to go “behind parents’ backs”.
Despite dreaming of dresses every night, Bailey's mother says in the morning: “Bailey, what are you talking about? You’re a boy. Boys don’t wear dresses!”
When Bailey insists “I don’t feel like a boy”, the mother says, “well you are one, Bailey, and that’s that” – though the author uses she/her pronouns for Bailey throughout.
Following another dream about wearing different dresses, Bailey runs away from home and meets an older girl, a stranger named Laurel at another house, where they make two dresses and try them on as friends.
The plot ends when “Bailey's dreams come true”, with visions of 10,000 dresses which “show us ourselves”, living as a girl instead of a boy."

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 15/12/2022 08:35

This list is for books aimed at 2-4 year olds, and in one a child runs away from home and goes to a stranger’s house? Riiiight. Seems fine to me. What’s the problem?

FrancescaContini · 15/12/2022 08:36

The brainwashing starts very young.

ResisterRex · 15/12/2022 08:37

Archived

archive.ph/NHZoT

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Birdsweepsin · 15/12/2022 08:39

All those safeguardy people are boring bigots. Your glitter family are the only people who really love you.

Seriously there is scope for books that reassure the youngest of children that girls can like trains and boys wear dresses or whatever. Or how amazing bodies are, like My Body Is Me.

But this is dangerous shit.

Itsoktogiveup · 15/12/2022 08:47

Wow, I’ve been wearing trousers all year, I had no idea this meant I was no longer female 🙄

Off to Amazon to give a 1* review to this book, do join me.

OldCrone · 15/12/2022 09:16

Following another dream about wearing different dresses, Bailey runs away from home and meets an older girl, a stranger named Laurel at another house, where they make two dresses and try them on as friends.

That reminds me of this, from Mermaids.

web.archive.org/web/20200222190734/mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/mermaids-tales/

Ofcourseshecan · 15/12/2022 09:32

OldCrone · 15/12/2022 09:16

Following another dream about wearing different dresses, Bailey runs away from home and meets an older girl, a stranger named Laurel at another house, where they make two dresses and try them on as friends.

That reminds me of this, from Mermaids.

web.archive.org/web/20200222190734/mermaidsuk.org.uk/news/mermaids-tales/

God, that photo makes my blood run cold. Who in the world thought that was a good idea?

PriOn1 · 15/12/2022 09:32

Wow, I’ve been wearing trousers all year, I had no idea this meant I was no longer female

Are you suggesting that dreaming of dresses every single night is NOT a sign of being female? Obviously as I was born female, I dreamed of nothing else.

Wanderingowl · 15/12/2022 09:36

Why can't Bailey's mother say, "well Bailey, boys mostly don't wear dresses in our society but not for any sensible reason. So if you want one, I'll get you one." Then Bailey can be happy in his body as being a boy won't prevent him from wearing a dress. Dresses won't become a forbidden fruit that he wants more because he can't have it. And the odds are that as he grows up and learns more social cues, he'll largely grow out of his attraction to dresses. Just like every little boy I know who happily wore dresses when playing dress up as little kids and were allowed to just get on with it.

Fenlandia · 15/12/2022 09:37

Awful on so many levels; the sexist stereotyping of clothes, the lack of awareness that a little boy who likes dresses might simply be gay (or even straight!), the storyline about going to a stranger's house if your parents don't agree with something you say, WTF.

I used to think that people who said queer theory's ultimate goal was to undermine the traditional family by turning children against their parents were a bit tinfoil-hatted, but this book does exactly that.

ArabellaScott · 15/12/2022 14:05

Following another dream about wearing different dresses, Bailey runs away from home and meets an older girl, a stranger named Laurel at another house, where they make two dresses and try them on as friends.

Heartwarming. All children should know that in order to live happily ever after they need to run away from home and meet older strangers. Confused

nilsmousehammer · 15/12/2022 14:09

Hey little kiddies, your bonded, trusted, caretakers (who at this age are still changing your nappies and rocking you to sleep) are stupid, don't love you or understand you.

Look at these lovely adults. Aren't they so much nicer and better? Don't they understand you better?

The ethical issues and basic safeguarding issues could be seen from space.

Kanaloa · 15/12/2022 14:15

What the fuck. Absolutely disturbing and inappropriate materials. And to think I used to add a disclaimer of ‘we don’t eat all those foods together’ when we read the Hungry Caterpillar. Now I’d have to worry about explaining that we don’t run away in the middle of the night to try out cross dressing with adult men dressed as women behind mummy’s back.

Kanaloa · 15/12/2022 14:17

Wanderingowl · 15/12/2022 09:36

Why can't Bailey's mother say, "well Bailey, boys mostly don't wear dresses in our society but not for any sensible reason. So if you want one, I'll get you one." Then Bailey can be happy in his body as being a boy won't prevent him from wearing a dress. Dresses won't become a forbidden fruit that he wants more because he can't have it. And the odds are that as he grows up and learns more social cues, he'll largely grow out of his attraction to dresses. Just like every little boy I know who happily wore dresses when playing dress up as little kids and were allowed to just get on with it.

I remember when DS was in preschool there was this trend amongst the boys to wear dresses from the dressing up box, and to use a box of bangles in the home corner. The bangles would be shared out and looped onto the boys’ ears to act as earrings!

Of course never occurred to me to explain that it was now an all girls’ nursery, I presumed the boys were just exploring something they didn’t have access to at home and depicting themselves as different characters etc.

Kanaloa · 15/12/2022 14:17

And as you’ve said they all grew out of it. Well as far as I know.

IvyTwines · 15/12/2022 15:33

@OldCrone "Following another dream about wearing different dresses, Bailey runs away from home and meets an older girl, a stranger named Laurel at another house, where they make two dresses and try them on as friends."

Charlie says absolutely go off with that random stranger to see some puppies.

JustGoodStoriesPlease · 15/12/2022 19:48

@Ofcourseshecan The cringe is so real. These are the same ones that urge that we don't push ideals on to anyone else.

Musomama1 · 15/12/2022 20:57

So fixating on dresses means you're really a girl? Riiggghht you are Stonewall.

And I thought being trans was highly complex.

How helpful of you to dilute this to very young children.

TerfranosaurusVagina · 16/12/2022 01:15

Itsoktogiveup · 15/12/2022 08:47

Wow, I’ve been wearing trousers all year, I had no idea this meant I was no longer female 🙄

Off to Amazon to give a 1* review to this book, do join me.

I'll join the party 🚩

ResisterRex · 16/12/2022 08:32

In The Times today:

Gender-change book on Stonewall list for toddlers

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/68c937e4-7cb4-11ed-8486-22782b7fe87b?shareToken=d9e3e4ffc2da5449363dbcb5d49a286d

No dots joined there about lying to children about their bodies, and the impact that could have on children who are being or have been sexually abused. How can they provide evidence if they think the male who abused them is a woman? This kind of cultural change, as pushed by Stonewall and co, would of course be used by predators. Why wouldn't it?

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zen1 · 16/12/2022 10:17

You’d think as an older gay man, the author might have an awareness of the fact that putting on a dress doesn’t make you a girl.

OMG12 · 07/03/2023 22:03

God I can’t wait for this shit to implode!

Even Eddie Izzard is starting to read the room a tiny bit more with his Suzy name announcement saying he doesn’t mind if people use it.

you can just see all the law suits piling up for schools, teachers, doctors etc. hoping stonewall go the same way as mermaid and gay people are represented by organisations that don’t happily throw them under a bus for the latest fad.

PaterPower · 07/03/2023 22:11

That pink wigged person in the mermaids pic is giving off serious Michael Jackson vibes.

And, IMO, the parents of the younger person would benefit from a crash course on appropriate boundary setting.

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