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Article- We need to talk about woke homophobia

19 replies

BenCooperSuperTrouper · 09/12/2022 04:46

Absolute ripping defence of LGB Alliance.

www.spiked-online.com/2022/12/07/we-need-to-talk-about-woke-homophobia/

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Rightsraptor · 09/12/2022 07:07

Brendan not holding back. Good for him.

Is anyone else struck by how those who trade in insults are so keen to outdo each other? 'LGBA are a bunch of transphobes', 'no, they're just like the KKK', 'Nope, they're literally Nazis' and on and on until they're 'genocidaires extraordinaires', the like of which the world has never seen before.

Whereas in reality its just Kate, Bev & and a few others trying to do something good.

JacquelinePot · 09/12/2022 07:37

I like Brendan's writing but never think to spontaneously look at Spiked, so thanks for sharing.

I do listen to his podcast though and if anyone is interested he's just interviewed Meghan Murphy.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 07:38

Brilliant article. Furious and bloody acurate!

Clymene · 09/12/2022 07:41

That's very good

ImCindaCanning · 09/12/2022 07:59

Excellent article as ever by Brendan O'Neil. The T reject same sex attraction, so how they were ever aligned with the LGB is a mystery to me, and how they got Stonewall to preach that homosexuals should reconsider their prejudices about who they date is a bloody miracle. Didn't their posters used to state "Some people are gay - get over it"? Now they believe gay people (lesbians, let's be honest) should be open to relationships with the opposite sex.

TheClogLady · 09/12/2022 09:16

Another excellent comment piece from Brendan.

It’s been fascinating, watching Spiked go from ‘Something’s not quite right about this’ to ‘Freedom of speech’ to ‘Eddie Izzard needs to fuck off back under the glittery rock he crawled out from’ over a 6 yearish period!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/12/2022 09:17

It has!

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/12/2022 09:34

I think gay men are a significant part of the pushback. They have fought hard to overcome prejudice and are high profile. It’s clear many of them find the resurrection of the Q word deeply offensive. Increasingly on Twitter you are seeing you trans activists who try to rewrite history being told to go do one by gay men who were actually there.

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/12/2022 09:35

younger not you

TheLeadbetterLife · 09/12/2022 09:49

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 09/12/2022 09:34

I think gay men are a significant part of the pushback. They have fought hard to overcome prejudice and are high profile. It’s clear many of them find the resurrection of the Q word deeply offensive. Increasingly on Twitter you are seeing you trans activists who try to rewrite history being told to go do one by gay men who were actually there.

I don't know if he's part of any wider pushback, but David Sederis was hilarious on this point on the Adam Buxton podcast a while back.

He said he'd seen an article where a woman was trying to claim the label Queer, on the grounds that she was unusually tall. Thus, he said, the term has no meaning and is offensive to older gay men, for whom it's a slur.

Sedaris said he hated being called Queer, that he's not Queer, he's just short.

CyanCyan · 09/12/2022 22:27

TheLeadbetterLife · 09/12/2022 09:49

I don't know if he's part of any wider pushback, but David Sederis was hilarious on this point on the Adam Buxton podcast a while back.

He said he'd seen an article where a woman was trying to claim the label Queer, on the grounds that she was unusually tall. Thus, he said, the term has no meaning and is offensive to older gay men, for whom it's a slur.

Sedaris said he hated being called Queer, that he's not Queer, he's just short.

I’m a big David Sedaris fan and enjoyed this too. I think it’s odd the way the word took off and became so accepted.

Grimchmas · 09/12/2022 22:33

"The T reject same sex attraction, so how they were ever aligned with the LGB is a mystery to me"

I don't think they used to, back in the day when the T was allowed to mean Transvestite, and before the last few years of TRA activism.

Hobbesmanc · 09/12/2022 22:34

Don't you feel uncomfortable with the rest of the content on there? The insidious slurs and racism. The Meaghan Markle shit. The homophobia. It's Toby Young. If you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas.

Partofthefurniture · 09/12/2022 22:45

Hobbesmanc · 09/12/2022 22:34

Don't you feel uncomfortable with the rest of the content on there? The insidious slurs and racism. The Meaghan Markle shit. The homophobia. It's Toby Young. If you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas.

2/10 for effort, not enough hyperbole and exclamation points.

1/10 for originality. I've heard the purity spiral argument before.

Did you read the article, it's against homophobia FWIW. It seemed like a well written and sensible take on things and I didn't once see a mention of Meghan Markle in it.

BenCooperSuperTrouper · 09/12/2022 22:56

Hobbesmanc · 09/12/2022 22:34

Don't you feel uncomfortable with the rest of the content on there? The insidious slurs and racism. The Meaghan Markle shit. The homophobia. It's Toby Young. If you lay down with dogs you are going to get fleas.

I see the monitors have arrived ladies. That’s us told- better not read Spiked Online in case there’s opinions.

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ArabellaScott · 09/12/2022 22:56

Eyes to the left, ladies, in case we are exposed to impure thoughts.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 09/12/2022 23:03

ArabellaScott · 09/12/2022 22:56

Eyes to the left, ladies, in case we are exposed to impure thoughts.

😂😂

DaughterOfPsychiatrist · 10/12/2022 12:03

Don’t worry Arabella, H.Manc is going to issue us with nifty little white bonnets that make it impossible to see anything we aren’t given express permission to witness!

Thankfully the cutting-pinkies-off for reading rule hasn’t been officially implemented yet!

pattihews · 11/12/2022 10:28

ImCindaCanning · 09/12/2022 07:59

Excellent article as ever by Brendan O'Neil. The T reject same sex attraction, so how they were ever aligned with the LGB is a mystery to me, and how they got Stonewall to preach that homosexuals should reconsider their prejudices about who they date is a bloody miracle. Didn't their posters used to state "Some people are gay - get over it"? Now they believe gay people (lesbians, let's be honest) should be open to relationships with the opposite sex.

By around 2006 Stonewall had completely achieved its aims. Civil partnerships meant that lesbians and gay men had the same right to legalise their relationships and secure their homes and pensions for their partners, avoid IHT and so on. That same tranche of legislation gave LGB people equal rights in a number of other ways: the right not to be discriminated against when it came to goods and services, for example. Straight people may not be aware of all the little slights that we endured prior to this. I still have, somewhere, a photograph, C2007, of a bar in Cardiff that had signs up in its windows asking lesbian and gay couples to desist from using the place. The Equality Act 2010 cemented our rights.

So Stonewall's work was done and they had the choice of disbanding, becoming a much smaller organisation or finding a new cause in order to keep everyone employed and their name current. They'd been flirting with the trans community since the early 2000s. I know a woman who chaired a Stonewall committee for some years and brought a non-binary person and then a trans woman onto the committee to test the water in around 2006. Most of the lesbians resigned in protest, arguing that sex and gender were two different things and people couldn't change sex.

Stonewall's story is a tragic one. Heroic upholder of LGB rights to oppressor of the people they fought for. I want Michael Cashman and Ruth Hunt held to account for the terrible damage they've done to the gay community. I regard Nancy Kelley as just a useful idiot brought in to place-hold through the chaos. Hunt's the one who manacled the T to the LGB.

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