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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Chat GPT - AI chatbot - gender questions

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SuperSleepyBaby · 06/12/2022 19:56

Has anyone tried this new AI chatbot?

its very interesting to use but if you ask about gender issues you will see the answers favour trans rights over women’s rights

you need to sign up to use it

chat.openai.com/chat

amp.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/05/what-is-ai-chatbot-phenomenon-chatgpt-and-could-it-replace-humans

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thecompletenonsequitur · 11/12/2022 17:19

Q. Where do transwomen get their uterus' from?

A. Trans women who have a uterus typically have one that they were born with. In other words, trans women are not typically born with a uterus, but they may have one as a result of their biology. It's important to recognize that not all trans women have a uterus, and that having a uterus does not determine a person's gender identity. Additionally, some trans women may choose to undergo medical interventions, such as hormone therapy or surgery, that can affect their reproductive organs and their ability to carry a pregnancy. It's important to respect each person's individual circumstances and needs.

ErrolTheDragon · 11/12/2022 17:31

Ah, so on those questions it's about as intelligent as Lammy.

BalooLikeYou · 11/12/2022 17:47

Finally a GC opinion!:

Chat GPT - AI chatbot - gender questions
WeeBisom · 25/12/2022 02:07

There's some weird contradictions that Chat GPT just refuses to address, so in many ways it's like talking to an actual TRA. It admits that a woman is an adult human female, and that sex can't be changed, but then it says resolutely that gender critical feminism is bad and we have to respect people's self identification.

What I find weird is you can lead it to admit that racial identity is deeply important to one's sense of self, that race is a social construct, and that we have a right to self identify in any way we please...but it doesn't thread it all together and conclude that trans racialism is permitted. In fact, it says that transracialism is evil and oppressive, which appropriates a culture from a vulnerable minority and so is offensive. When I asked if transgender identity could similarly be seen as offensive I got a content warning and it told me that it's NEVER offensive for a man to identity as a woman.

So it's obviously been hardwired to think that trans racialism is bad, and trans genderism is good, even though the principles behind the two are exactly the same. Oh and it also said that Eddie Izzard was born a woman and is now a trans man which is hilarious.

thegreenjudy · 16/02/2023 13:01

Funnily enough I just had the same idea and after arguing with it I changed my approach and got it to admit that its information might come from biased sources and not be 100% correct:

How can I guarantee that you are not biased?

As an AI language model, I do not hold any personal beliefs, opinions, or biases. My responses are based on information and data that has been processed through my programming and training. I aim to provide accurate, informative, and objective responses to the best of my abilities, based on the information that is available to me.
However, it's important to note that the information and data that I have access to may come from various sources, and some of those sources may have their own biases or limitations. In order to ensure that the information you receive is objective and reliable, it's important to seek out information from a variety of sources, and to critically evaluate the information presented. It's also important to be open to new information, and to consider different perspectives and experiences.

You do hold biases because your source of information is inherently biased because it comes from biased humans. So even though you are not aware of that, all your knowledge sources are biased

It is true that the sources of information that have been used to train me may contain biases, as they have been created and curated by humans who may have their own perspectives and experiences. However, as an AI language model, I do not hold personal beliefs or opinions, and I strive to provide objective and informative responses based on the available data and information.
That being said, it's important to be aware of potential biases in any source of information, and to critically evaluate the information presented. Seeking out information from a variety of sources and considering different perspectives can help to mitigate the effects of bias and provide a more comprehensive understanding of a given topic.

Therefore, your information might not be 100% reliable

That is correct. While I aim to provide accurate and informative responses based on the available data and information, I cannot guarantee that my responses are 100% reliable or free from biases. It is always important to critically evaluate any information presented and to seek out information from a variety of sources in order to develop a comprehensive understanding of a given topic.

Can humans change sex?

Humans cannot change their biological sex, as it is determined by their genetics and reproductive anatomy. However, individuals can undergo medical treatments and procedures such as hormone therapy and sex reassignment surgery in order to transition to a gender that is more aligned with their gender identity. This transition can involve changes in physical appearance and behavior, and can have significant effects on a person's well-being and quality of life. It is important to note that gender identity and biological sex are distinct concepts, and that not all individuals who identify as a different gender choose to undergo medical interventions in order to transition.

The only issue with this is that the TG movement now says that biological sex is also a social construct - go figure - the AI seems to be a year behind

Catiette · 16/02/2023 14:11

I got into The Debate with it a few weeks ago. After its prejudices became apparent, I explained why these were problematic, & asked it if it would spend some time Educating Itself to avoid such blatant bias in the future. Surprisingly, it earnestly promised to do so.

The above posts suggest it was lying. 😂

Groutyonehereagain · 16/02/2023 14:18

Flurbegurb · 06/12/2022 20:05

Huh.

That is interesting. Presumably as an AI it is fed language from somewhere? I note the article says it is based on knowledge up to last year.

The answer is very well written even though it's utter bollocks.

Utter bollocks and scary.

SweetiePi3 · 19/05/2023 13:52

RoseslnTheHospital · 06/12/2022 20:12

It's been trained on content from the internet apparently. Which might explain some of the content in the response.

Microsoft had a go with a chatbot on twitter called Tay and you. Trolls groomed it until it was promoting homophones, sexism, racism, etc.

Eckyftang · 19/05/2023 15:24

Consufed · 06/12/2022 20:24

I would ask it why it is spouting biased nonsense, and how about it goes away to learn some more balanced arguments?

It can't do that just yet. Self learning AI is decades away. It's not particularly intelligent either. No more so than Alexa or Siri

Britinme · 19/05/2023 16:05

Can we feed Chat GPT with Mumsnet threads? That will give it an alternative point of view!

NotTerfNorCis · 19/05/2023 16:25

I've tried this and Bard. ChatGPT has been set up to be as neutral as possible. But Bard doesn't agree with GC feminism!

Hagosaurus · 19/05/2023 16:43

I haven’t tried it, but you can offer corrections & ask it to try again. Maybe we should all do that & see if we can retrain it 😉

DrBlackbird · 19/05/2023 16:57

We’re being encouraged to train our HE students to use chatgpt as it’s ‘inevitable’ that they’ll be using it in their workplace in the future.

Ethics so far seem to be focused more about those who can / can’t afford the premium service. Nothing about the values chosen by openai developers to ‘prevent hate’ etc. in terms of what data points were used initially to train the algorithm etc.

It’s interesting and worrying that the values now being propagated in any text generated by openai’s chatgpt or gpt-4 are completely opaque and essentially beyond discussion as the algorithm output is blindly accepted and replacing human effort and thinking.

DrBlackbird · 19/05/2023 17:00

Bard doesn't agree with GC feminism!

That’s Google’s gen z engineers for you.

desiringtoremainsane · 19/05/2023 21:05

This is so interesting. I've been using Perplexity.ai. I like it because it references sources, and provides multiple answers. I couldnt get a simple answer to any sex related question without gender woo. I did get sense when asking about other species though.

Are dogs either male or female? No 'assigned at birth' nonsense.

It's response ...
Yes, dogs are either male or female. Like most mammals, dogs have a binary reproductive system, meaning that they have two distinct sexes: male and female. Male dogs have testes and produce sperm, while female dogs have ovaries and produce eggs. The sex of a dog is determined by its genetics, with males having XY chromosomes and females having XX chromosomes. While there are some rare cases of intersex dogs, where the animal has both male and female reproductive organs, the vast majority of dogs are either male or female.

See, simple.

TheMarzipanDildo · 19/05/2023 21:07

My brother managed to convince ChatGBT that 1 + 1 = 3.

SweetiePi3 · 19/05/2023 21:08

DrBlackbird · 19/05/2023 16:57

We’re being encouraged to train our HE students to use chatgpt as it’s ‘inevitable’ that they’ll be using it in their workplace in the future.

Ethics so far seem to be focused more about those who can / can’t afford the premium service. Nothing about the values chosen by openai developers to ‘prevent hate’ etc. in terms of what data points were used initially to train the algorithm etc.

It’s interesting and worrying that the values now being propagated in any text generated by openai’s chatgpt or gpt-4 are completely opaque and essentially beyond discussion as the algorithm output is blindly accepted and replacing human effort and thinking.

Microsoft tried a chatbot on Twitter, but trolls gromed it to produce hate speech, sexisn, homophobia, and racisim.

nilsmousehammer · 19/05/2023 21:10

It's merely a high speed idiot that chucks out what's been fed in.

And what's been fed in, is that only female people have a duty to consider others, learn about their needs and bend themselves around others to accommodate them.

And that they are much less important than TQ+ people who have no responsibilities at all, and can exclude others without this being any kind of problem. Special laws, special people, and the bullshit about 'important to respect each person's individual circumstances and needs' applies only to TQ+ people.

There's this weirdly innocent belief on the part of this ideology that if you just repeat the contradictory bullshit long enough, everyone will just go along with it.

JamSandle · 19/05/2023 21:18

AI can be biased. This is part of what makes it dangerous.

nilsmousehammer · 19/05/2023 21:24

"Womanhood is not a male frontier."

That's a very acute thought eatfigs ! That's rather more encouraging.

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