Labour's "skin in the game" approach

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Pleased to see Labour recognising that those with "skin in the game" should be involved in decision making. I'm assuming this will also now include women when it comes to issues that directly impact us? Like self ID? That women can now speak out confidently within the Labour movement on such issues where we have "skin in the game" without fear of TRA reprisal? Or is our female "skin" not sufficiently important?

Skin in the Labour Sex Fudge Game?

given that we have had various 'reassurances' from the LP that Women would be consulted in the past, I'm not holding my breath.

But mostly, being one of the women invited to leave the Party because I didn't recognise any man as being a woman, I know that when they say women they still mean "anyone"

Yes I haven't forgotten "expell me" and how the Labour Party doubled down after that, rather than actually listen to women.
I'm never voting Labour again. Sadly that means I can't vote.

Women’s “skin” does not count

We all have ‘skin’ in these kind of games. Because the sort of changes they want to pretend apply only to people who identify under the trans rainbow have societal wide impacts of all kinds.

It would be useful of people who want to be responsible for making government policy were able to appreciate that.

Labour make me feel queasy. Their manifesto will include retaining and boosting the GRA 2004 - a total non-starter for any woman with a vote and her head screwed on. Then, this morning, I saw Nadia Whittome advocating for the complete decriminalisation of prostitution (which she calls "work," of course), letting all the johns get off scot-free for exploiting vulnerable women. Leaves such a sour taste, I can't believe I used to vote for them for so many years.

I had an interesting doorstep discussion with the chair of my local party. I said I was concerned and he said as a "white male" he didn't feel it was his place comment but give a space to those WITH skin in the game. So women and people with dysphoria!
He invited me along to stuff and didn't automatically tell me I was an evil terf. He was much better than the wee tory lad who turned up the year before.

I know it's fence sitting. I know it's cowardly BUT it's better than before??????

How interesting. Last time a Labour doorstepper visited me, he walked back down the drive looking baffled that I'd said "I'll vote for you again when your party knows that a woman is."

Sounds like the manifesto may offer women the crumbs of "opposing self-ID" while hanging onto the Self-ID Act 2004. That's probably what he meant by "people with dysphoria" - men with certain...um...proclivities...who demand to be treated as not belonging to the sex class 'men.'

Not sure I'd class that as better than before! More gaslight TBH. I've lost all trust in them after the contempt they have shown to women in recent years.

I would like to go back to Labour but don't think it would be safe for reality based feminists yet.

They still seem to see any desire to question or even to talk about this as evidence of transphobia.

Keir has made a firm undertaking on more than one occasion to bring in Self ID. He cannot do that and protect women-only spaces. He has to choose. Eventually he will have to choose.

I don't think this is a wedge issue and I'm not sure it ever will be. But as a former Labour Party member, activist and canvasser I can assure you that responses on Labour Doorstep are recorded and "sent up" to the leadership. (Well they were when I was doing it!). As a canvasser to get any sort of response is golddust so if you get canvassed tell them how you feel.

The women's vote matters to all parties. We need to scare them into thinking they might lose ours though as ever elections are won and lost on the economy and how well off people feel (or don't!) and if they feel they can trust a party leader with their money, their health and their kids' education and safety.

Totally @LiesDoNotBecomeUs

@MissLawls I'm not kidding - they've lost me, and they keep putting out the most horrendously misogynistic signals, month after month. The only way they could conceivably win me back would be to commit to restoring women's rights & safeguarding by getting rid of the law that makes both merely notional. And that, realistically, is not going to happen. So I'm going with the party that makes repeal a manifesto issue. No time to muck around.

@MissLawls I do not trust the activists to safeguard my information, because we've seen what people who think they're Righteous will happily do. I remember the MN TRA mod who doxxed loads of posters. I've seen what the Righteous think of safeguarding children and vulnerable adults, e.g. the ongoing Mermaids scandals (plural). I've seen how eagerly and readily the Righteous lie and twist and conveniently look away from anything that doesn't fit the magic story, because pious fraud in service of the Right Side of History is not just forgivable but desirable.

I wouldn't dare to write to my MP (TRA) about this, nor have I told any doorstoppers why I wouldn't vote Labour - when they've asked I just shook my head and said they wouldn't like my reasons and then closed the door. I'm not saying my MP would mis-use my information, but who can say about all the activists around him?

Crikey @Kucingsparkles I confess that never occurred to me. How awful we can't feel safe telling canvassers how we feel!

@pinchpoint quite understand. I'm not here to shilling for Labour.

Kellie-Jay Keen is going to stand against Starmer
"Force the man (Keir Starmer) to talk about this issue"

[[https://twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1599796422429196288?s=20&t=6Abbuwa7Eru4LvvcIstcTg]

Link again
twitter.com/StandingforXX/status/1599796422429196288?s=20&t=6Abbuwa7Eru4LvvcIstcTg

Ooh! She really is?!?!?!

😂

Ooh This will be glorious. I find myself wanting it to be now though. How long till the next election?

Although the down side to if it was now Labour would probably get in, and as much as I've voted Labour all my life I just can't right now.

So for now I'll just have to console myself with imagining how he's going to spend his time between now and facing her trying, and failing, to work out the best way to shut her down.

The TRA s will be torn how do you scream at the woman you hate whilst she's on the stage right next to their next Lord and saviour?

Hopefully all our imagines of this will come to nothing though and by the next election we will be firmly back in reality.

Fingers crossed.

I'm enjoying the thought that Starmer has 2.5 years with the thought of having to face a debate with KJK in his mind.
I heard him on the radio today,and said to DH,that if the announcer hadn't said who he was,I wouldn't have recognised his voice at all.It sounded flat and ineffectual,like the man had no drive or fire. Not the voice or time that I'd expect from someone hoping to lead the country one day.

Do not ever forget the Labour Sex Fudge.

They say they will protect single-sex spaces.
They also say that transwomen (males) have the same sex as women.

I won't!

Outrageous doesn't even begin to cover it. Labour must think women are immensely stupid, and craven, to support a party that holds our whole sex in contempt

Labour must think women are immensely stupid, and craven, to support a party that holds our whole sex in contempt

I suspect, speaking as a former member and activist, that Labour presumes party first. And that members and voters will be loyal and all that matters is getting the Tories out. WRONG! Our issues matter to us and if we aren't even allowed to discuss them without being called bigots by our own side then why should we pound the pavements for them, hit the phones banks, or stuff leaflets into letterboxes!? Let alone vote for them!

At least Blair did openly court the female vote. He recognised how important it was. Okay so maybe it was patronising (it was - ed) but at least he recognised that women were a cohort worth courting. I get the impression from Starmer and many in Labour that we aren't the women that matter most to them!

I don't know how we change this. I'm fairly sure Labour will get in when the time comes. Our rights are not a wedge issue. But we can try our darndest to get our issues on the agenda between now and the general election. Kellie-Jay standing against Keir is fantastic. She knows precisely what she's doing!