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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Phillipa Perry shifting?

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pantsforteaagain · 04/12/2022 16:55

This is from Phillipa Perry's advice column in The Guardian (I love it and find her very balanced, usually takes an angle that makes me look at something in a new way).
"We’ve all soaked up stories where most protagonists are men and most women are at best side-kicks – no wonder there is unconscious bias that interferes with the way we relate. Recently, I peeled back a few more layers of my own unconscious bias on reading the novel A Thousand Ships by Natalie Haynes."
Thinking of previous threads on here about Grayson Perry, am I reading too much to think this could come from the heart?

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WarriorN · 04/12/2022 17:33

Well, cross dressing for kicks aside, when I saw Grayson do his live talk in autumn 2019, he had a particular image showing how humans divide themselves. At the pinnacle was the word SEX: male or female.

The talk was all about them and us (brexit) and attempted to show there wasn't much difference when we thought there could be (eg Bo Jo and Corbyn, both white, male, public school educated etc)

The sex label was clear that there are two separate sexes though. I felt it was pointed.

So it's possible. She also basically told a trans widow to run for the hills recently. But it was good advice for any relationship failing in the way that was, trans aside.

Circumferences · 04/12/2022 17:41

I've never been of the impression that P or G Perry were sex deniers or gender extremists in the first place.
I always thought they were both normal gender non-conformists?

The minute G Perry starts boasting about his "girl mode" a-la E Izzard is the minute I reject everything he has to say.

ArabellaScott · 04/12/2022 18:15

I partly agree, Circumferences. But we've had discussions about GP on here before and some of his previous comments about his 'hobby' have left me less supportive than I used to be.

ErrolTheDragon · 04/12/2022 18:23

I don't think GP particularly needs anyone's 'support' or approval. He understands and is open about who he is, afaik.

EarthSight · 04/12/2022 20:40

Meh. I don't like any of those Guardian problem page columists. Their advice is usually poor and the people on the comments section do a far better job, unpaid.

KatMcBundleFace · 04/12/2022 22:52

Circumferences · 04/12/2022 17:41

I've never been of the impression that P or G Perry were sex deniers or gender extremists in the first place.
I always thought they were both normal gender non-conformists?

The minute G Perry starts boasting about his "girl mode" a-la E Izzard is the minute I reject everything he has to say.

100% this. GP literally did (a now blacklisted) TV documentary about it.

pinchpoint · 05/12/2022 12:27

I was troubled by the photo of GP in his fetish dress with his wife and young daughter - who looked deeply uncomfortable - at some event. I do wish men felt under real pressure to keep their paraphilias to themselves, these days. It was completely inappropriate, unfair & selfish to expose his child to that IMO.

dandelionthistle · 05/12/2022 12:36

I think she knows which way is up, but has no intention of dying on this hill (and sadly the choice does look that stark at the moment - for women anyway - men of course are allowed to make the odd GC comment and it blows over very quickly).

I think also it's a big deal for the partner of a cross-dresser to take up this fight. Not because it's a logically incoherent position, but because of how it's positioned in the public sphere and because of how vicious people can be. A coward's defence, perhaps (and I'm mindful that some of GP's transgression is a bit grim IMO), but I'd understand it. I'd keep out of it too, for the sake of my kids.

pinchpoint · 05/12/2022 13:03

Hmm. She kind of brought her kid into it when she allowed her to pose with her dad in fetish get-up, but if I walk in her shoes, she may have been gaslit & bounced into it. That particular proclivity GP has tends to be accompanied by other controlling proclivities that can put wives in a difficult place.

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