Great article in Telegraph on the Susie Green exit

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t.co/yn5tZW178q

Really worth a look

I'm confused by what I've been reading. It seems that Mermaids concerns do not appear to be the same as the CC's concerns, which also do not appear to be the same as the gender critical concerns. We are concerned about safeguarding vulnerable children and gaslighting institutions, the CC are concerned about the charity's governance and reporting processes, Mermaids are concerned about trans inclusion and their leadership not being trans enough.

So SG could be replaced with somebody even more extreme, the CC could enforce proper procedures at Mermaids, which Mermaids would comply with while continuing to promote harmful procedures to children and issue incorrect guidance to institutions.

SG could be replaced with somebody even more extreme, the CC could enforce proper procedures at Mermaids, which Mermaids would comply with while continuing to promote harmful procedures to children and issue incorrect guidance to institutions.

I share your apprehension and consider it wretchedly plausible.

Sadly so

My thoughts exactly.

The people who could examine and challenge / prosecute the numerous safeguarding failures are the police , the local authority and the NSPCC.
Most signed up to / paying customers of Stonewall & Mermaids 😑

Jimmy Savile ensured that the police local & national officials were in his pockets to escape scrutiny, protect himself and continue to prey on children.

I agree with all of your fears. This is why it is so important we all fill in the NHS consultation on care for trans I'd children. Deadline tomorrow!

Have you got a link to the consultation?

www.engage.england.nhs.uk/specialised-commissioning/gender-dysphoria-services/

Thanks Bird you beat me to it! www.engage.england.nhs.uk/specialised-commissioning/gender-dysphoria-services/

Thread here for more details and links to submissions from TT and Sex Matters. www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4659625-public-consultation-interim-service-spec-for-specialist-gender-dysphoria-services-for-childrenyoung-people

The article seems to suggest that SG was forced to resign, and hints that the next suitable contender should be a transgender person.

So inevitably more extremism.

That could surely mean one of two things.

Mermaids will become a much more hard-line and difficult organisation to fight against wrt it's ideology (that children can be transgender). Due to it recruiting someone who pushes more and more extreme gender ideology myths such as "children will kill themselves unless they get puberty blockers!" and "Trans-Women are literally women and female and male born trans girls go through female puberty" etc etc- we've all heard them.

Or, it will be the death of Mermaids altogether because meanwhile back in the real world we can't be having anymore harm done to children, trans children are an adult invention and we all know it.

The article seems to suggest that SG was forced to resign, and hints that the next suitable contender should be a transgender person.

So inevitably more extremism.

Anyone else getting a Children of the Corn vibe?

In one way it is such a logical conclusion of what she started, that you cant help but laugh at the idea she was forced out was because she wasn't transgender.

If one wanted to be "charitable" you would have thought all of those who think trans people's rights are not respected, would have given her some slack for having been such a prominent campaigner on their behalf.

But on the other hand this article, and a short piece I read elsewhere only confirms what I have thought that the investigation is about Governance, ie all they did you correctly identify where money come from and where it went, are there conflicts of interest.

And this seems to be what their internal report has suggested, that someone who has started this organisation has continued to treat it as hers, without realising she has created something out of reach of one individual.

I am happy to be proved wrong, but I think any idea that the CC is investigating the ethical concept of the policies promoted by Mermaids re transing children is gong to be disappointed.

I think any idea that the CC is investigating the ethical concept of the policies promoted by Mermaids re transing children is gong to be disappointed.

I disagree. Mermaids promoted breast binding without informing parents, and also advised kids on so-called 'bottom surgery'.

There are many charities set up specifically to oppose breast ironing and female (or indeed male) genital mutilation.

They will look into this now. No way they can't.

I am more hopeful @IwantToRetire The CC may not be investigating Mermaids' safeguarding or other policies as such but I do think that from now on Mermaids' behaviour will be more under a more critical spotlight. Mermaids are now publicly "controversial" in a way they weren't six months ago and once a children's organisation becomes "controversial" it loses its free pass.

Alternative narratives about what's good for children are starting to pop up. I guess that's why Mermaids tried to shut down LGBA but even if they succeed against LGBA that still wont be more than a temporary reprieve for keeping their worldview unquestioned.

So sure, they can have a new CEO who is trans and TWAW and pro-transition for children and the whole enchillada. They're still going to be doing more due diligence, and whatever they do as a charity is more likely to be questioned not just swallowed whole. And they are going to be one voice not the only voice. I think - I hope! - they've reached the point where the harder they try to silence other voices the louder the other voices get.

Very good point and I think you’re right to be concerned. Mermaids cannot be allowed to continue on in a more extreme form.

On a positive note, things that can be objectively measured like finances and safeguarding are huge issues. Failures are certainly enough for the CC to make and oversee very robust recommendations.

I can't imagine there'll be a rush of people wanting to be trustees or senior leaders in a charity under that degree of scrutiny.

And lots of people have submitted complaints about Mermaid's practices, mainly parents whose children have been captured. It will be impossible to ignore them.

On a less serious note this quote from the article;
"The whistleblower claimed: “One of the big issues with Susie was she is incapable of being self-reflective,""

You don't say...

I think it will be very difficult for public funding sources to go back to funding Mermaids now a statutory investigation has been launched. It will also be hard for public sector organisations to signpost to Mermaids. It is a tainted name and I think funding and priorities will move elsewhere.
The real question for me is where will that funding go now. Will there be properly balanced, ethical, well researched support or is there a Mermaids#2 waiting to step into the gap.

I'm optimistic about this. Even if they appoint a more extreme CEO, it's unlikely that the general public will be as sympathetic to them as they were to a woman who put on a good show of wanting to do anything to save her child's life.

We all know that the oft-quoted suicide stats were based on a self-selecting sample of just 27 kids. But Susie was very savvy to bring up the 'dead son/live trans daughter' myth right at the start of every single interview. It's the entire justification for giving minors extreme surgery and experimental drugs, which normally rational people would find abhorrent.

Thanks to the interim Cass Review people are starting to realise that actually suicide of gender confused kids is 'vanishingly rare.' When the full Review is published there will be lots more media attention on the dangers of puberty blockers and the fact that Mermaids went against the advice of the NHS and the Samaritans. Celebs and businesses won't want to donate to such a controversial charity.

Will there be properly balanced, ethical, well researched support or is there a Mermaids#2 waiting to step into the gap.

Phoenix version or in the same way as Global Butterflies was ready to step into the BBC training gap left by SW Champion exit. Same way that the organisation would seamlessly take over if the whole of Stonewall fell.

www.bbc.com/news/uk-58917227

Thanks to the interim Cass Review people are starting to realise that actually suicide of gender confused kids is 'vanishingly rare.'

Even in health organisations that should know better, Stonewall material is still uncritically regurgitated in EDI and inequalities training (including those YouGov SW survey results that are almost always presented as suicide attempts rather than "thoughts about/of suicide").

The NSPCC are totally captured

It’s like Catch 22 written by George Orwell

Amazing. You just know the staff will be beautifully hard to manage.

I hope they destroy themselves.

I seem to remember disillusioned trans staff at Gender GP too..... the "cis" oppressors..... etc etc