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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Preparing teaching session/presentation for medical colleagues

41 replies

RunningAllDay · 24/11/2022 19:49

Hello - I have been lurking for ages, lurking and learning from you very well-informed people. I am a GP trainee (older than the average as if is my second career) and became interested (and horrified) about the trans movement as my daughters and friends' daughters became teenagers. My experience is that my GP colleagues are not terribly well informed - keeping their heads above water is a full time job! When I realised that one of them was sending gender questioning kids to Gender GP and Mermaids for info/service (from ignorance, not ideology) I arranged to do a short teach/presentation at the next practice wide teaching day. I have also offered to give this same (as yet unwritten) presentation to a group of GP trainee colleagues.

So, all that preamble to ask what do you all think I should absolutely not miss out? What do you wish GPs knew?

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Notnewbutveryold · 27/11/2022 18:40

Haven’t been on dnuk for years, think FB tried to take over but I think I’ll have to go back.
good luck with the teaching.

adultchildofalcoholicparents · 27/11/2022 18:45

You might want to talk to Margaret McCartney or consult her articles or Twitter. A GP in Scotland and has a lot of relevant material.

Manderleyagain · 27/11/2022 19:10

If the practice is referring patients to mermaids that would be a legit reason to raise the fact that the charities commission has opened a case on them, because of complaints re safeguarding issues.

Manderleyagain · 27/11/2022 19:13

Also the nhs service plan for gender identity services which is open for consultation would give them an idea of the way things are hopefully moving, and an idea of some of the problems that are being addressed. The fact that it says kids buying unregulated hormones online will be flagged up as a safeguarding concerns should make them realise the seriousness of what's going on, even if ultimately that's dropped from the spec.

RunningAllDay · 08/06/2023 14:26

Given your help and advice above, I thought I would update this with my progress. I have presented now three times - to trainee peers, to the medical body at my surgery and today to the admin staff, at their request. I have had mind-bogglingly positive feedback - the look of horror on people's faces when I go through the evidence base for paediatric treatment or medical transition is - well - encouraging. I am now in touch with SEGM and CAN-SG and am quietly hopeful that a more informed practice is both possible and welcomed.

So thankyou again for all the wise and informed posts on here which got me started on this.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 08/06/2023 14:36

That's very good news! Well done and thank you for the update Flowers

UpToMyElbowsInDiapers · 08/06/2023 14:39

Well done!

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/06/2023 15:28

Well done OP.
It is becoming easier with Cass having showcased the lack of research and evidence, the CQC's findings of the unsafe / appalling state of GIDS and of course tragically, the steady stream of detransitioners.
The link below is not for the fainthearted but if you really want to see the lack of insight, care and safeguarding that certain medics "specialising " in surgery changing the genitalia of children too young to have any previous sexual experiences / give informed consent, this thread is eye opening. Although the individual surgeon is US based, the same lack of ethical values are present in the UK with all the surgeons currently operating on mentally unwell young people.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820954-non-binary-gender-affirming-surgery-and-the-problem-of-treating-patients-who-were-pubertally-suppressed?reply=126733522

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As far as I can tell, this is basically the pick 'n' mix approach to genitals: [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=FhIycMvV8vk https:/...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820954-non-binary-gender-affirming-surgery-and-the-problem-of-treating-patients-who-were-pubertally-suppressed?reply=126733522

JacquelinePot · 08/06/2023 18:26

Amazing work, well done op!

nocoolnamesleft · 08/06/2023 20:16

Well done indeed. I found one of the most encouraging things at work was when all paediatricians received an alert from the regional safeguarding team that "certain online services" were providing puberty blockers without appropriate assessment or oversight, and that we all needed to be alert to it as a child protection issue.

dimorphism · 08/06/2023 21:06

MrsOvertonsWindow · 08/06/2023 15:28

Well done OP.
It is becoming easier with Cass having showcased the lack of research and evidence, the CQC's findings of the unsafe / appalling state of GIDS and of course tragically, the steady stream of detransitioners.
The link below is not for the fainthearted but if you really want to see the lack of insight, care and safeguarding that certain medics "specialising " in surgery changing the genitalia of children too young to have any previous sexual experiences / give informed consent, this thread is eye opening. Although the individual surgeon is US based, the same lack of ethical values are present in the UK with all the surgeons currently operating on mentally unwell young people.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4820954-non-binary-gender-affirming-surgery-and-the-problem-of-treating-patients-who-were-pubertally-suppressed?reply=126733522

Excellent - came on to post this thread but already done!

It is a mind boggling thread. The medical professionals who do 'gender affirming' surgery within it clearly are at the point where they can't see the wood for the trees, they're so brainwashed by the cult. They are noting that many MtF child patients who've been pubertally suppressed have no sexual experience or urges (this was also discussed in 'I am Jazz') and often are most focused on the look of genitalia when wanting SRS not their function and given the full surgery has complications and a difficult aftercare regime (and there's ethical issues around this if it's for children who have had no previous touching of genitalia), they're moving to surgery which only creates / modifies external genitalia but doesn't involve creating a fake vagina.

What they're failing to see is that they're essentially creating eunuchs. The more UK doctors that can read about this the better.

Thank you for what you're doing OP, we need more like you!

The other thing it might be helpful to bring up in future discussions is that I believe Norway, Finland and Sweden have now all also stopped allowing surgery or puberty blockers under 16 so the documents explaining that decision (which I think the TL:DR version is not enough evidence) may be useful. The medical bodies in many different countries are beginning to come to the same conclusion.

DameMaud · 08/06/2023 21:09

Thanks so much for the update OP. This is really encouraging to hear!
I think a return to sanity will rely greatly on individuals doing work like you have done. Like the parents on this board who have had successes challenging their children's schools too. Through all the wonderful sharing of resources on MN.
Women pulling together.
This gives me hope!

TUCKINGFYP0 · 08/06/2023 21:15

Thank you Op for what you are doing within your profession to safeguard women and children . As well as making the NHS inclusive for GC patients.

IWilloBeACervix · 08/06/2023 21:17

You’re doing amazing work op.

Hopefully, the Hannah Barney’s book is helping to show where medical care is failing. I think it’s worth medical practitioners being aware that children get dropped by CAMHS and referred to the gender clinic as soon as they mention gender. There’s been no joined up thinking.

DrBlackbird · 08/06/2023 23:19

You May have covered this, but the link between GD and autism and social contagion would be helpful knowledge for GPs. Especially as girls are so much better at masking so likely to be undiagnosed and simultaneously so suggestible to external online influence.

The vast majority of young girls I know with GD are rejecting the hypersexualised stereotypes as they come into puberty but instead of being emo or goth as they might have, they think their trans.

FannyCann · 09/06/2023 07:03

nocoolnamesleft · 08/06/2023 20:16

Well done indeed. I found one of the most encouraging things at work was when all paediatricians received an alert from the regional safeguarding team that "certain online services" were providing puberty blockers without appropriate assessment or oversight, and that we all needed to be alert to it as a child protection issue.

That's excellent news. Pity it is just regional safeguarding team but I suppose the alert will be spread more widely.

Well done OP, it's very encouraging to hear how you are making a difference.

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