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Hanukkah and drag queen story time

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KatMcBundleFace · 24/11/2022 19:48

The Museum of the Home is helping families celebrate Hanukkah, with crafts, object handling and drag queen storytelling with Chanukah Lewinsky of theatre group Homos and Houmous.

www.museumofthehome.org.uk/whats-on/exhibitions-and-installations/winter-festival-2022-23/hanukkah/

Does Hannukkah have links to cross dressing? As a festival? Like panto?? Or is this just shoehorned in?

Isn't Homos a slur?

Seems an odd fit to me.

Hanukkah and drag queen story time
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PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 06:52

Completely shoehorned in. If they were talking about Purim, there might be some connection, as Purim is celebrated by topsy-turvy fancy dress and temporarily subverting social norms. It's absolutely nothing to do with Hannuka.

No, these people simply want to bring their whole selves to work.

As for the name of their group, if homosexual people want to call themselves 'Homos', that's their prerogative. Just like any other group reclaiming a slur.

badbaduncle · 25/11/2022 08:42

Chanukah Lewinsky?

SamphiretheTervosaurReturneth · 25/11/2022 08:49

That all seems so bloody insulting!

Chanukah Lewinsky?

NitroNine · 25/11/2022 08:58

So SO grotesquely offensive, on multiple levels, & indeed not only to Jews 🤬

Dex Chait Grodner has performed in places like the Royal Court. In 2018 he was described as “up & coming” for deciding that what European-origin Jewish women of the C19/20 needed was a man to tell a crude amalgamation of stolen fragments of their stories. Making his creation “queer” (AND a gay icon AND abandoned by their husband [who’s run off with another man]) is just a tiresomely predictable piece of self-obsession. It’s not any of it about the women whose stories have been plundered other than in the sense of exploiting them. They are a resource to Grodner.

Obviously it’s well-known there are lots of people who consider themselves to only be culturally Jewish; & that members of said group may still celebrate Hanukkah. At a Museum event like this you might also get people of other faiths (& none) who want to learn more about the festival. However, the fact remains that Judaism is monotheistic. The Shema makes this abundantly clear. So someone whose work uses Jewish and pagan rituals to explore themes of money, biological and chosen family and the life cycle really has no business at an event like this. Twit about doing your super-edgy & über-deep if you’re a GCSE Drama student performances if you really must; but to lack the basic respect for observant Jews in this way? Ugh.

Judaism has suffered from TRAs determinedly misrepresenting it as supporting the notion that sex is not binary (as per this Reddit discussion). [Orthodox] Jewish women & girls are amongst those most impacted by the loss of single-sex spaces - like the Hampstead Heath Women’s Bathing Pond for example. This absolute clown is yet another insult - & I’m using the word advisedly, as it does seem there’s been shift in booking entertainment (or indeed edutainment) for children at events like this from clowns to Drag Queens.

As PikesPeaked said, at least at Purim there is an actual tradition not simply of dressing up, but of cross-dressing, within which a drag artist’s performance would make contextual sense. (NB Acceptability - or otherwise - of cross-dressing at Purim has been a source of rows for centuries. Now featuring the angle that [so-called] “cis” people shouldn’t do it because “gender expression is not a costume” and “it harms trans people”.) You’d still have all the usual issues with drag + [small] children; but it wouldn’t have been so glaringly out of place. Listening to & retelling the story of Esther on Purim is a mitzvah, too - & it doesn’t have to be at the synagogue, as per this Time article: again, if the Museum has an actual Jewish Drag Queen Requirement they need to fulfil, Purim would make sense. It just highlights how little actual thought there is “Jewish Drag Queen Story Time for our Jewish event? OMG we win at diversity! Please someone tell me they’re disabled!” Did they consider whether that would alienate some people, I wonder? Running an event about Judaism & Jewish History that arguably deliberately seeks to exclude some Jewish people? I mean, that’s all kinds of wrong.

The museum has Dr Michal Nahman in charge of their Sephardi Hanukkah Supper Club event. Apparently they’ve consulted their Faith and Culture forum in putting together the exhibition parts. (According to the Museum’s website: The Faith and Culture forum is made up of people from the local community, specialists and Museum staff.
It aims to increase the visibility of diverse cultural heritage and faiths in the Museum's collections, programmes and audiences.) Somehow, though, they’ve still decided that what their Hanukkah Family Celebration needs is a Hanukkah Drag storytelling musical performance with Chanukah Lewinsky and Irving Sheffield.

Telling the Hanukkah Story for wee children? Lovely. Zero need to have a Drag Queen do it. A giant Mensch On A Bench would actually be a better option; & I think those & their elfspiration are creepy wee feckers 😶 That said, the Zebra from Zion, Mitzvah Moose & Dreidel Dog are actually quite cute - no surprise the Snow Mensch is reduced though, because it is the stuff of nightmares. Yet arguably still more an appropriate narrator for the Hanukkah Story at a Museum’s family activity day!

BloodAndFire · 25/11/2022 09:01

Dive into the history of Hanukkah and how families in East London marked it.

my family are jews from East London and i can promise you they never 'marked it' like this. I wish they'd stop appropriating and distorting our history.

I presume the Jewish museum in Camden (actually run by jews) is doing something a bit less massively culturally insensitive, though I haven't checked.

NitroNine · 25/11/2022 09:05

Oh FFS MN ate about half the hyperlinks in that 🤦‍♀️

Royal Court
• Chanukah Lewinsky’s origin story in 2018
Reddit discussion
• article about Hampstead Heath Women’s Bathing Pond

PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 11:24

They've also appropriated Christmas. There is no 'Hannuka meal'. There are foods that are traditionally eaten at Hannuka, but no ritual or traditional meal. There is no special arrangement of the room, no traditional decorations, just a hannukiah.

How ignorant and uninclusive to try to explain Hannuka by appropriating Christmas traditions. Aren't our Jewish traditions good enough?

WarriorN · 25/11/2022 11:59

badbaduncle · 25/11/2022 08:42

Chanukah Lewinsky?

Whoa, wtaf!

PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 15:36

There is a religious ritual, but not a ritual meal.

Language matters!

BloodAndFire · 25/11/2022 15:48

Here are a few options for celebrating Chanukah outside the home in London that aren't a complete travesty of our traditions and history

jewishmuseum.org.uk/event/chanukah-family-day/

www.jewishislington.co.uk/chanukah

www.jw3.org.uk/whats-on/chanukah-funukah-1#

Personally though I've always thought of it as something you celebrate at home with the family.

Thanks very much for the interesting links @NitroNine

Don't really understand why the history of Jewish women needs to be told by a man.

MotivateMe · 25/11/2022 16:01

As a previous poster has said - they have also appropriated Christmas.
completely inappropriate and offensive. Chanukkah is Chanukkah. It doesn’t need “jazzing up”

BloodAndFire · 25/11/2022 16:45

MotivateMe · 25/11/2022 16:01

As a previous poster has said - they have also appropriated Christmas.
completely inappropriate and offensive. Chanukkah is Chanukkah. It doesn’t need “jazzing up”

Yes - candles, doughnuts, latkes, chanukah gelt (chocolate or otherwise) and presents every night has always been enough for my kids (and me back in the day)

PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 16:54

It occurs to me that inserting drag into Hannuka has a certain relevance - but not at all in the way the TRAs would have us think. Because that is what both are about: what people would have us think.

Hannuka is about standing up to the bullies who invaded and enforced their beliefs and practices in an attempt to change the way Jews lived and thought.

Twizbe · 25/11/2022 17:01

badbaduncle · 25/11/2022 08:42

Chanukah Lewinsky?

My thoughts too.

BloodAndFire · 25/11/2022 17:11

PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 16:54

It occurs to me that inserting drag into Hannuka has a certain relevance - but not at all in the way the TRAs would have us think. Because that is what both are about: what people would have us think.

Hannuka is about standing up to the bullies who invaded and enforced their beliefs and practices in an attempt to change the way Jews lived and thought.

Interesting. Maccabees refusing to bow down and worship false idols does definitely have a resonance.

MangyInseam · 25/11/2022 17:58

Gee, I wonder what Monica Lewinsky has to do with drag queens? Could it be a secual reference?🤔

DameHelena · 25/11/2022 18:20

PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 06:52

Completely shoehorned in. If they were talking about Purim, there might be some connection, as Purim is celebrated by topsy-turvy fancy dress and temporarily subverting social norms. It's absolutely nothing to do with Hannuka.

No, these people simply want to bring their whole selves to work.

As for the name of their group, if homosexual people want to call themselves 'Homos', that's their prerogative. Just like any other group reclaiming a slur.

There's been discussion about 'reclaiming' words on this topic elsewhere on MN, specifically 'queer'. Some people, largely older generations who spent years having the word used about them/at them as an insult, are not at all comfortable with it being thrown around happily by a younger lot who didn't live through that.
You can't reclaim something you've not had used against you. I think it's insensitive and tone-deaf, and ignorant to the real history of gay people.

PikesPeaked · 25/11/2022 18:34

You can't reclaim something you've not had used against you. I think it's insensitive and tone-deaf, and ignorant to the real history of gay people.

But if those performers are gay...?

I've not been called Yid with derogatory intention. Does that mean I'm not allowed to call myself a Yid?

badbaduncle · 25/11/2022 22:10

I showed this to a modern Orthodox Jewish friend of mine. His response
"Imagine this happening at Eid. Eid-dy Izzard maybe? Or Easter. Jesus Christ Super-Starlet"

KatMcBundleFace · 25/11/2022 22:26

Leaving aside slurs people want to reclaim, queering a religious family festival just seems inappropriate.

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PikesPeaked · 26/11/2022 00:07

Have you seen or read The Jews Don't Count, by David Baddiel?

RambamThankyouMam · 26/11/2022 05:13

This sort of nonsense has deeply infected progressive Judaism.

For me, it's caused me to move towards the Orthodox side, which massively goes against my principles, but I'd rather my daughter learn to make challah than be told she's a boy in a girl's body and have to watch drag queens.

Etinoxaurus · 26/11/2022 05:21

🤦🏻‍♀️
@NitroNine do you blog or write elsewhere? You write amazingly.

GrimDamnFanjo · 26/11/2022 12:12

Used to live round the corner, it's a great museum.
However at the opposite end of the very long road it's located on is the deeply religious Hasidic Jewish community.
I'd love to know what their community leaders think of this festivals appropriation to the cause...

NitroNine · 27/11/2022 16:24

I was reading it in such fragments, while writing (also in fragments…) I didn’t appreciate/realise the warping that had gone on. A horrific thing to do, mangling Hanukkah to - seemingly - try to make it look more like Christmas. Make it more familiar. Alongside the obvious horror, they’re saying that people have neither the will to experience something different nor the capacity to learn, but they must instead have the world reshaped for their comfort. It’s unlikely they’re thinking of Christians, just some odd anonymous public who want to learn about religion but, you know, not THAT much… I suppose there’s a faint hope they’ve just phrased things really badly on the website, but 🫤

@BloodAndFire you are very welcome for the links, I’m just sorry that my post was such a mess they weren’t all in their proper place 🤦🏻‍♀️

@Etinoxaurus that’s very kind of you, thank you 😶 but no, I just inflict long posts (with lots of links) on the lucky denizens of FWR 😂

(Largely unrelated, however, as I’m literally watching it right now, if you have Netflix, there’s a [2013] documentary on there called Regina about the first female rabbi.)