Humanism and Transgender rights

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Does anyone know the humanistic stance on twaw and tmam logic?

Their beliefs (as I understood it) are firmly based on reality so wonder how they navigate this particular mind maze...

I'm a humanist and gender critical. This seems to be the stance of most humanists I know but obviously I can't speak for all.

I think the societies are twaw unfortunately.
Dr Alice Roberts is a patron and she's definitely on the twaw train.

@ofwarren that's what I thought I had seen but wasn't sure. I'm wondering weather to keep my membership with them or not.

Obvs won't change my beliefs but for me reality and twaw etc are incompatible.

You would have thought so, but look what happened to Angelos Sofocleous, President-elect of the Humanist Society at Durham University:

uncommongroundmedia.com/angelos-sofocleous-free-speech-academia/

Didn't something happen with Richard Dawkins too?
I vaguely remember it being the American Humanists.

That's a great interview though. He explains his points really well.

It really is such a divisive issue. Beyond all other divides. Both sides of the debate are there amongst Humanists, amongst biologists, amongst those on the right, those on the left, psychologists, artists, everyone. It really is fasciating. And confusing. Thanks for posting this Jelly

I went out of my way to chose a non-humanist celebrant recently, which wasn't easy, partly because of their intolerant views towards those with different beliefs. This was after a run in with the regional representative who thought it appropriate to openly scorn my agnosticism when I enquired about joining some years ago. It seemed my (actually pretty considered) stance was beyond the pale and he sounded absolutely unhinged on the phone basically telling me how stupid I was. I realised then it was religion in another suit.

So colour me surprised to find their faith based stance on TWAW. (Sarcasm)

Maria Maclachlan, who was assaulted by transactivists in Hyde Park and was ordered by the judge to call her attacker ‘she’, had a terrible time with the national organisation Humanists UK.

The attack, the court case, the reaction by supposed progressives …. sickening misogyny all the way through. She writes about it very calmly.

www.peaktrans.org/tag/maria-maclachlan/

Yes ... this link pay be paywalled

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/richard-dawkins-loses-humanist-of-year-award-over-trans-comment-g9gs9msx6

He tweeted something for discussion and fell victim to 'no debate'

Some men choose to identify as women, and some women choose to identify as men. You will be vilified if you deny that they literally are what they identify as. Discuss.'

Came back with a good burn though.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9492315/Richard-Dawkins-stripped-Humanist-Year-award.html

I realised then it was religion in another suit.

Unfortunately it can be. DH used to have quite a lot to do with them, in part because of campaigning for fair school admissions. He lapsed his membership after Andrew Copson started saying 'Humanists believe...' - I can't remember exactly what but iirc a political position which wasn't related directly to humanism.

There used to be an adage (now no longer particularly applicable) that the CofE was 'the Tory party at prayer'. I got the impression that british humanists were somewhat in danger of becoming the Labour Party at non-prayer.

I was a member of Humanists UK but I left after I sent them an email asking their position in self ID and hit a load of waffle back. I replied but got more waffle. This was a couple of years ago, they may have changed, I will have to dig it out. Quite recently they email-shit me about rejoining and I replied to say why I had left but got no reply

Email-shot

That's interesting to read @ErrolTheDragon in context. Sounds like we didn't have a rogue representative then. Their lack of self awareness is quite something to behold.

I follow them on Facebook and they post stuff fairly regularly in support of gender ideology. It's all very disappointing

I don’t think there is any more insight into this from humanists than any other faith group. I’m sure there are HC humanists and there are probably lots of TWAW too.

^GC not HC

Yeah I’d say C of E is broadly left wing as clergy because you know Jesus was a socialist (in my humble opinion!). But meant it was ripe for TWAW as a sort of auto pilot thing, without thinking it through.

A lot of organisations and publications that are supposed to be about reality and evidence make a special exception for gender ideology. Science journals, New Scientist, Scientific American, Royal Society, and so on. Even the fabulous More of Less hasn't touched it AFAIK.

I wouldn't mind if science/reality-based bodies made a clear, logical and evidenced case for exactly why they do believe/accept gender ideology or beliefs such as TWAW, but they don't - they just regurgitate it or give a platform to nonsensical articles about it that don't stand up to interrogation. I find it so frustrating as it undermines their claims to be rigorous on anything else.

But I agree humanism as a movement/organisation can get very religion-like so I find that less surprising.

This thread is an eye opener. I didn't realise the Humanists UK soc were TWAW. Glad I'm not a member as all the humanists I speak to are generally of the opinion that sex matters.

My perception is that Humanists, along with other sceptical/secularist organisations, are pretty male-dominated. I don't think its deliberate, but we live in a world where it's still generally blokes who get to go out to evening meetings more than women.

Alice Roberts was Prsident of Humanists UK until earlier this year and she was full on TWAW

Alarmingly, given that view, since 2012 she has been Professor of the Public Engagement in Science at the University of Birmingham

Yes, I'd initially thought Humanism sounded right up my street. Then I attended a meeting ...