Is it okay to work with groups whose principles you dont share as a feminist, but there is a common cause?

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Education not indoctrination
The events was organised by a coalition of groups including the Christian Institute, which opposes abortion, same-sex marriage and euthanasia, Stand By Me Scotland, which opposed the wearing of facemasks in schools during the pandemic, Academics for Academic Freedom and For Women Scotland, which opposes Scottish government plans for people to be able to self-identify their legal gender.
www.eventbrite.co.uk/e/education-not-indoctrination-tickets-426737442177

Glasgow venue cancels booking for cancel culture conference
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/04e3fa4a-6696-11ed-9c3b-2d9184d0076f?shareToken=4ffe4f56d755905a476b686c75b65dd0&fbclid=IwAR1UHupPu9Xu4bD_gF0JoJb0A9u-bE2RDTcRqmbt9c8bpRUird9JTGbG8o8

typical right wing "all voices no matter how vile deserve to be heard"

Who is it you're saying is 'right wing', here? Or are you saying that free speech itself is 'right wing'? That's an interesting viewpoint.

I agree with Arabella but don't know how to quote. I'm fairly confident in my opinions. Don't like being told what to think by anyone.

To quote you go to the three dots/ellipses at bottom right of the post, click on it, and press 'quote' from the drop down menu.

This.

Thanks Arabella.

You don't seem to have read the links in the OP. This is nothing to do with self-ID. It's about education. This is from the facebook page of the organisers:

Hands Up Scotland is a group of parents, friends, teachers, and university lecturers concerned about the politicisation of Scottish education. We believe it’s time for a genuine, open, discussion about changes taking place in Scottish classrooms.
The quality of Scottish education (primary, secondary and HE) appears to be declining and attainment gaps are widening . We need a public discussion on education to create an education system that is open and tolerant. Government and teachers should not be indoctrinating our kids with the latest political fads, schools should strive for some sense of objectivity and provide our children with a range of differing views. Education in subject areas and history should help our children to develop a better understanding of their place in the world. A school should be place of learning, not a platform from which government dictates political values or teachers preach ‘activism’.

www.facebook.com/groups/199024469048342/about

I don't know any more about this group, but perhaps if you do you could share it here.

That's where we fundamentally disagree then and will just have to agree to disagree. I absolutely care about furthering the goals of people who want to reduce women's rights. If my actions contributed to their success how could I ever think of myself as a feminist?

What 'actions' are you thinking of?

So please answer my point about the Labour party.
Or can't you?

It's simply a common belief or debate tactic among people who share views that are considered by many to be intolerant or bigoted, especially in the online political debate world.

As in, the idea that all views, no matter how intolerant, need to be tolerated and considered on the same level as other less fringe or taboo views.

Literaly wtf are you talking about?

If you believe the labour party are anti women or antisemitic, and you hold those views in genuine and good faith, and you yourself believed anti women or antisemitic views were not acceptable, I would expect you to not vote for them on that basis. What exactly is your question?

It's simply a common belief or debate tactic among people who share views that are considered by many to be intolerant or bigoted, especially in the online political debate world.

What is? Free speech?

So you don't believe that they are misogynist and antisemetic? Really? Really?
Interesting...
Also, who defines what is tolerant?
You?
Cos from where I'm sitting, you seem like the intolerant one.

No, the thing I specifically outlined in the next paragraph I wrote which you chose not to quote.

Right, I see. This?

all views, no matter how intolerant, need to be tolerated and considered on the same level as other less fringe or taboo views.

But what on earth is the alternative? What are you suggesting? That we don't tolerate certain views? How do we do that?

A purge? Re-education? Armed struggle? And exactly what 'taboo' views are you talking about? Christian beliefs? Being anti abortion isn't exactly taboo.

Intolerant of what? Organised groups who are proponents of banning abortion and same sex marriage?

Yes, I suppose I am intolerant of those things. Does that mean you win the game?

You can't seriously think that society is based on being tolerant of all views?

Hello? are you serious? Is your brain on?

That's why some things are illegal

That's why some things are protected

That's why some things are hate crimes

My god.

There's no need to be insulting, DreamWhisper. We're having a discussion. It's okay.

'You can't seriously think that society is based on being tolerant of all views?'

I ask you again: What is the alternative you are proposing?

Thoughtcrime is not illegal.

It's simply a common belief or debate tactic among people who share views that are considered by many to be intolerant or bigoted, especially in the online political debate world.

Wow, well done for coming right out and saying it, Dreamwhisper: free speech is a bigot’s tactic. Well, it’s certainly not a genderist tactic, that’s for sure.

My admiration for those who try heroically to debate with people who openly oppose free speech increases all the time.

Me too on both counts. I don't like be told what to think by "feminists" any more than by any other group. Opinions need to be able to be robustly supported and continually questioned.

For clarification. There are no illegal views in this country.

'hatecrime' is not a thing in itself, it can be used as an aggravating factor when sentencing where a crime has been committed. There is no crime in thinking any specific thoughts.

Yes, I think it does. Only it's not a game.
You want to shame people out of associating with people you deem to be 'unpure', while at the same time refusing to accept your hypocrisy. The Labour Party wants to take women's rights away too. Abortion is not the only women's right.
Who decides what is intolerant? I would rather listen to anti abortionists, knowing I will never, ever agree with them, than be told what I can and cannot listen to.
As I said in a previous post, this technique was used to shame women out of reading papers like the Times and the Telegraph. That would have been a mistake too, as the left wing press have ignored the issue or worse.
Why don't you try to make some headway with the left? Or have you? Cos it's failed.

But you're just trolling me. You know full well that while we can't literally thought police, that's not what being tolerant or intolerant means is it. And you've completely ignored my above points about how society itself is structured shows us plain as day that we do not consider all views to hold equal value, to be equally okay to share.

I'm not proposing any change or action. I'm simply expressing my belief, my belief which I believe to be self evident, that society does not hold any and all opinion as worthy of being shared or acted on. In the face of people playing dumb and pretending that it shouldn't matter if someone has utterly reprehensible beliefs, we should all just rub along together as long as the goal is to eradicate those pesky transes

I think that the rest of us were talking about women's rights, Dream.

I'm not a "feminist". I'm a feminist.

I'm not telling you what to think? I'm telling you what I think, and why. Free speech.