Women's health clinics could be renamed to avoid upsetting trans patients

[ResisterRex]

This was in the Telegraph on Monday and is now in the Times:

Women's health clinics could be renamed to avoid upsetting trans patients

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/15/womens-health-clinics-could-renamed-avoid-upsetting-trans-patients/

"The proposed guidelines, which are set to be sent to Nicola Sturgeon’s minister for approval imminently, want the Scottish NHS to formally recognise “increasing gender identities for patients”, especially those who consider themselves neither male nor female.
It also calls for laboratories to “decouple” reference ranges in test results from “gender markers”. Men and women have different healthy ranges on a series of criteria, for example in blood tests.
The report claims ranges should instead be “relevant to the individual.” The suggestion was branded a denial of reality by doctors."

Women’s clinics could be renamed under new trans guidelines

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f58e1f78-65bc-11ed-9ccc-9d160947f622?shareToken=b9d6fc66ef7e53dd9d762a7ed2de1e92

"The proposal comes little more than a year after Maree Todd, the Scottish women’s health minister, promised to reduce inequalities and improve health for women by launching the UK’s first “women’s health plan”. It pledged to appoint a women’s health champion in every NHS board area."

Archive of Telegraph from 15 November:

archive.ph/m11ru

Telegraph would prefer us not to look at our obviously useless government then...

Madness

If you are female, you are more likely to get female cancer, because you are female. Women with female cancer often want their femininity emphasised and reaffirmed.
Taking female words away is going to lead to further psychological damage to far more people

Why doesn't that matter? Why don't the people making these decisions care about that?

Healthcare should be the one thing where people say , look cancer/infertility etc doesn't give a crap about your identity its your female body that relevant here.

Its not the time to pretend reality doesn't exist.

But maybe re designing a logo and a website is cheaper than staffing wards so....

What utter misogyny. How can reality be so offensive

How can reality be so offensive

Because it upsets the male oeople who don't want the word "woman" being used in reference to female biology, as it excludes them from identifying as women.. Patriarchy in action

This all seems to be moving at an alarming pace and urgency in Scotland. Clear run on independence without distraction? Change stuff before the masses realise what’s going on? It’s terrifying.

I'm no conspiracy theorist but the intensity, desperation and complete focus on getting this through almost feels like NS has been given a mission to get this implemented in Scotland come what may. Is it that she's trying to have Scotland be world leading around these issues? Distraction from something else? I'm baffled.

Wellll... it might be as a one-off cost, sure. But if you look at the progress in certain cancers, fundraising has been driven across sex-based lines. It is overwhelmingly women that walked, ran, danced and fundraised to raise money for breast cancer research and care.

Did I particularly care for breast cancer being overwhelmingly 'pinkified' - not really, but there's no doubting that the advances in care and treatment have been driven by women's money and efforts.

Gender-neutralising everything will change the fundraising landscape and I'm not sure for the better. (Of course, no-one will say that in Scotland because oor Nicola and oor NHS and oor culture of exceptionalism which is based on nothing apart from the feels).

If medicine decides to pretend sex does not exist & is not used, people will die.

If labs “decouple” reference ranges in test results from “gender markers”, people will die.

Not that anyone has a gender marker really, because gender is made up nonsense.
Sex markers are crucial.

You cannot practice medicine or health care without the real sex of a patient being known & acknowledged.
That real sex is their biological sex.
What they think they are has zero outcome or effect on medicine.

It does leave one interesting point unanswered though.

If there is no such thing as sex in medicine, how can you be given drugs or surgery to transition?
From what to what?
People would have to know to prescribe the right thing or chop off/sew on the franken bits.
Otherwise they might try to skin some blokes forearm to give him an extra penis.
Nobody wants that.

I notice that it is never ever references to men being removed to accommodate trans peoples feelings - no trans women are yelling about being excluded from prostate cancer and testicular cancer campaigns which only refer to “men”.

that’s because it’s not about inclusion, it’s about decoupling being a “woman” from being “female” so that womanhood can be colonised by males.

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Will they be less triggered if it's renamed "female health centre?" So much silliness, a giant house of cards built on the lie that TWAW

I am actually reading this as being more directed to transmen, who may need to access women's health services.

It's a terrible idea, the denial of the realities of embodiment are not doing that group any favours.

Yes well perhaps if TRAs could've acknowledged that-
Woman: Adult human female,
rather than campaign for decades to completely untether the word from objective biology and make it all ' a shifting constellation' of feminine gender-y Laydee Feelz...

that’s because it’s not about inclusion, it’s about decoupling being a “woman” from being “female” so that womanhood can be colonised by males.
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It also calls for laboratories to “decouple” reference ranges in test results from “gender markers”. Men and women have different healthy ranges on a series of criteria, for example in blood tests.
The report claims ranges should instead be “relevant to the individual.”

So they will give the range for male or the range for female, but won’t say which range they have included, in case it upsets the patient?

Assuming that occasionally the wrong range is appended, then if the doctor reading it knows the sex of his patient, and the sex of the range provided is noted on the form, then the doctor might quite possibly notice the fact. If only numbers are appended and instead of “female normal range” or male normal range” it is simply marked “normal range for individual” then it increases the risk of any error not being picked up. No wonder transitioners in the US sometimes have problems finding a doctor willing to see them. These situations and adjustments are creating a minefield.

@SpiderToes

Really? You don't know? Surely obvious to 99.9999999999999999999999% of women.

If it's about your dick, just go to your GP. If it's about your fanny or North of fanny but South of belly button, go to the women's clinic.

I go to the Women’s Health Centre in our nearest hospital every six months to have my endometrial biopsies.

Perhaps it will become the People with a Uterus department.

I hope everyone speaks good enough English to understand.

It also investigates fibroids and endometriosis, plus infertility plus obstetrics. Those things that don’t effect People with Penises.

A handy way of encapsulating what they do is to define them as things that don’t relate to the male sex. The shortcut for ‘don’t relate to the male sex’ is ‘women’s’. People of all intelligence (except the SNP) and levels of English find it helps too, otherwise they have to know a lot of names of body parts.