The Mail on Hadley Freeman, The Grauniad, and OJ

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www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11427737/How-war-trans-rights-killing-free-speech-worlds-sanctimonious-paper-Guardian.html

The Guardian are tax evaders!

As hatchet jobs go, this was a bit lame tbh. The journalist should have looked at MN and found out what we call him and what some of his actual worst excesses are.

Still. It's all sunlight.

I didn't know Owen Jones thinks the BBC is a Tory mouthpiece. Fascinating how the Daily Mail would insist it's a Commie hotbed.

I dunno, this was news to me:

"The paper has a new editorial tool called 'Typerighter' which does not merely correct poor English or bad punctuation but insists on politically correct terminology. The word 'aboriginal' is proscribed. Journalists are enjoined to write 'pro-choice' but never 'pro-life'."

Excellent. All sunlight.

Why not "aboriginal"?

Sometimes the pc , or non-pc, terms seem awfully random.

An amusing read! But why now, I wonder? None of this is new. There must be a reason the DM has decided to go for it now.

While Glover makes lots of interesting points he only once mentions the Graun as an 'international' media org. I think the US influence is pretty key to everything that has gone on here, from the letter trying to oust Suzanne Moore to their appalling WiiSpa coverage. It's noisy uprisings from young, non-editorial staff across the pond that have played a part in setting the scene for this too.

A clear and well argued article.

Why don't the Guardian just rebrand themselves as a US paper and bugger off. 😡

I am sick of the constant bleed of US issues and obsessions over the Atlantic. Britain is a different country, with a hugely different history, and a hugely different set of cultures and references, and I am so fucked off with American perspectives constantly being imported here and British issues shoehorned to fit.

Honestly, you'd think we were an American colony the way some people at the Guardian go on.

/rantover.

I didn't like the way Glover talked about the women's rights debate as "hysterical" and implied it was fringe and irrelevant. Also think he didn't really skewer LOJ as effectively as he could have done.

I mean, I liked the article but I wanted it to be a proper hatchet job. I know the Mail is capable of that.

The Guardian has always been bizarrely reverent of American culture, for a left-leaning Northern British newspaper. It's like they want the cultural stuff (films, music, supposed lack of class system) while simultaneously rejecting the capitalism and very high church attendance.

Agreed. I don't have a very high opinion of Glover. Years ago he launched a huge attack on Nick Davies of the Guardian for reporting the hacking scandal at the News of the World and tried to paint Davies and the Guardian as making a huge fuss about nothing. He turned out to be spectacularly wrong about that.

I don't really expect people like Glover to fully understand the issues at the heart of the trans debate - I think he simply saw another opportunity to have a pop at the Guardian.

Still, people need to know what's happening, and this is a start.

I found this article hilarious despite the fact that I generally regard Stephen Glover as lugubrious. Probably what set me off was the passing detail that Katherine Viner recently married Adrian Chiles. You couldn't make it up. After that all I could think of was that it had the makings of a script for a sitcom. Whether Glover intended it to be so funny I don't know but I came away thinking he might just be a more skilled writer than I'd thought.

I mean, I liked the article but I wanted it to be a proper hatchet job. I know the Mail is capable of that.

I bet LOJ is fuming that it isn't as well . Can't get as much mileage out of a bit of mild condescension!

Hahaha very true! I just wish he'd used his best nickname - Talcum X.

I read that and thought that it might be fringe and irrelevant to him, but it isn't to a lot of women. Still, all sunlight helps.

Glover doesn't really do hatchet jobs.

I thoroughly enjoyed the article. Thanks OP for posting.

I also enjoyed the quote from Suzanne Moore, describing LOJ as a “twerp”. I don’t remember that, but it gave me a little giggle, I must admit.

Does anyone have a link to Hadley's letter that was leaked?

I found that disturbing as well. I’m very much pro-choice but there is an alternative view and the term that has been used for a long time for those with that view is pro-life.

Here’s the Private Eye article reporting the letter
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