Scottish Hospitals warned over isolating 'transwomen'

[JanieAllen]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scottish-hospitals-warned-over-isolating-transwomen-dwc6dwvw5

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Scotland has lost its collective mind on this.

They actively advise gaslighting women! “This is a female only ward” when they’re putting trans-identifying natal males in the bed next to women?

It is appalling.

Where to start with that?

It's so enraging to still be reading that women patients will still be told 'there are only females here' after a raped female patient was told exactly that despite it being an obvious lie.

The NHS not knowing what male & female mean. How terrifying is that?

But it is at least acknowledged that putting these individuals into side rooms is to avoid upsetting women. They know it 'upsets' us. So now they have to acknowledge why it 'upsets' us.

But that'll be too big a leap in the First Feminist's Scotland.

Again, the third space is not acceptable because it's not about transwomen feeling uncomfortable being in a male space, it's about feeling validated by imposing their belief system that they are a woman on women and proving that their feelings are way more important than the feelings and rights of women.

Why on Earth would anyone object to being given a private room - unless of course they require validation from everyone around them 🙄 even when that is non-consenting, ill, vulnerable people😡

@waterwitch Exactly.

Interestingly I’ve found response to an FOI from 2021 asking about Stonewall membership etc and the response says they have previously applied in 2018/2019 but have no plans to continue stonewall membership in 2021.

So who is giving them this guidance which clearly does not follow guidance from EHRC or the Equality Act as they claim?

Maybe they should offer single rooms to all the actual women, see how that works?

I've written to my MSPs asking them to ask the Minister of Health about single sex provision - deafening silence all round.

There is no right for any male people, regardless of how special and vulnerable, to be presented with female people as therapeutic resources.

When you add in that these are non consenting female people, you are left thinking WTAF are these people on?

If TQ identified male people do not wish to be in sex based provision then the caring, inclusive thing to do is provide them with an alternative space to ensure privacy and dignity. If they do not like being isolated, then they have the choice between the male ward or a private space.

No one is offering any choice at all to the females this male wishes to inflict themselves upon regardless of impact. They can't identify into privacy and dignity. They can either suffer or leave needed medical care, and that is not fucking inclusion or kindness or even basic humanity. No one has a fuck to give about their special needs and feelings and accessibility while running around to meet the male needs.

These people need to realise: inclusion means equal opportunity. It does not mean every single whim and desire met at the expense of everyone else.

This absolutely terrifies Me, especially when it could impact my loved ones.

GGHB - I have heard so many shocking stories recently where people I know have been let down time and time again by your hospitals. Get that sorted out instead of throwing your female patients under a bus.

I'll add to that, the Equality Act already mentions reasonable adjustments. Reasonable.

Reasonability in this case is: as a male you do not wish to be in a male sex based space so here is an alternative where you will not be with other male people and your special need is respected.

Reasonability is NOT to forcibly remove accessibility, privacy and dignity from all females because one person born with a penis and their feelings outweighs the needs and value of every other human in the place born without one.

Reasonability is also NOT to say to females: suck up a male in your space with all the impact and risks and good luck with that, what happens to you now is in the gift of the male, sleep well..... or if you're unlucky enough to be a female who cannot share a mixed sex space in a situation of undress and extreme vulnerability? Well you lose your right to health care. Sucks to be female.

This is insanity. It's male supremacism.

And this is highly privileged women without a fucking grip on anything approaching reality who are showing their absolute need to stroke male egos while showing what good girls they are for hating on their own sex class and ensuring other females suffer what they know they themselves will never have to face. It is wicked.

If you offered those females on the ward isolation in a private space away from the male? They'd snap your bloody hand off for even a sniff at the privilege. And THAT is what actual oppression looks like.

I have a sibling who would have previously been called intersex - and she chooses to present as female as an adult. She passes reasonably well but when she is in hospital (she is disabled so has in patient stays) she is always in a single room. She knows she hasn't changed sex and she knows her presence in a female ward may make women uncomfortable so she would never dream of asking to move out of the single room.

In a way it is discriminatory against biological women as some of them may wish a single room but equally it's the best solution for my sister so selfishly I'm ok with it.

It is wicked

This is it summed up for me
I don't think you could describe it in any way. Even the most vocal of female TRAs would not what there mothers or grandmothers to lose all dignity and respect in this way.

And if a Transwoman has any shred of decency, they would not want to be on a female ward and to make these vulnerable women uncomfortable.

I would imagine even for the trans person, a single room would give them the privacy and dignity they deserve also.

They should give all the women a private room and leave the transwomen in the wards together. That seems best.

The QEUH is single rooms. Does that mean that all patients who are in patients here are discriminated against.

I know some would prefer to be on a ward, and for some patients who don't have any visitors, a small ward can give them some companionship they are missing.

So how can you make an entire hospital single room and then say its discriminatory to put trans woman in them?

This is what it’s about, and what it’s always been about. Transwomen aren’t scared of being male spaces, they want to invade and dominate female spaces - ironically, their behaviour is so stereotypically male.

This is Scotland after all, where last year my clearly female 71 year old mother had a stroke, and the FIRST question they asked her was "how do you identify?" as she lay on a trolley in the corridor in A&E for 16 hours.

When she was finally put in the (wrong) ward because there was no room anywhere in a stroke unit, she was in a bay with 6 beds. Across the corridor was a man with dementia (I presume) who was fond of stripping off and wandering around naked.
My question is, if this man had identified as female, according to the NHS here in Scotland, then he would be frequently strolling around naked in a ward full of ill women and nothing could be said, you would not be "allowed" to feel uncomfortable about it, you would be told there is NO woman in the ward, and YOU would be made to feel like a bigot and transphobe.

Scotland has lost the plot, the NHS is completely captured by this shite.

Your sibling sounds thoughtful and empathetic. X

SPOT ON.

The vanity and narcissism of these men is just off the scale awful.

The thirst for validation is the best explanation for almost every one of the demands the trans activists make to women.

Third spaces are not acceptable, because they do not validate. Saying 'women' when talking about female biology is not acceptable, because this does not validate. Excluding transwomen from women's sports is not acceptable, because it is not validating.

What is demanded of all women is that very validation, and this is why the rage is so red-hot at female TERFs while male GC people are not attacked. Our role is to validate and to centre transwomen, and refusing that role is seen as trying to annihilate them or at least denying their existence.

Oddly enough, transmen do not demand validation from men and neither do nonbinary people. All the different groups focus on women (with the possible exception of nonbinary male people), because it is the biologically female body most of them wish to have erased. There's lots of hatred of that body in the trans movement so it is being deconstructed (though not in porn).

Oddly enough, transmen do not demand validation from men and neither do nonbinary people.

No, they also demand validation from women. They want us to erase all references to our femaleness and destroy all specific female-only provision, to validate them.

Neither sex of trans identified person makes unreasonable demands on men.

I think it's capitulation as well as validation, a power play. Probably not all, or most, but definitely some.

You are right. What was it that Magdalen Berns said - something about “men wouldn’t take your shit” - bottom feeders.

Gaslighting of women by the NHS - disgraceful.