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Horrifying footage of a man who has been stalking a woman

47 replies

ScreamingMeMe · 08/11/2022 09:15

From twitter (USA). Two videos. The entitlement, misogyny and delusion is off the charts.

This is a very scary, dangerous man.

twitter.com/ask_aubry/status/1589740607030763520?t=yQjFMLg7CLR9WE0s-rnrYg&s=19

twitter.com/ask_aubry/status/1589769536638971906?t=l0F7kDbLbRlliuDKusNbdA&s=19

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LunaLights · 08/11/2022 12:53

I simply cannot get over the fact that this stalker posted the videos. He is so deluded that he posted the videos thinking he was in the right! Strength and light to that poor woman he has targeted.

viques · 08/11/2022 13:35

ScreamingMeMe · 08/11/2022 09:46

Yes, probably a combination of the two. A man with serious mental health issues could easily be drawn into the incel community.

Speaking of which, I haven't watched the CH4 documentary yet, but it looks interesting.

The film maker has written an article in the Guardian. Sorry, can’t do links but googling Guardian incel article will find it. They are scarey people who feed on each other’s insecurities and fake news obsessions.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/11/2022 14:31

Bloody hell @Boiledbeetle 'in your house', Jaysus. I worked with some guys who were creepy, that was bad enough, paling compared to your experience.

There was a review in the Guardian about the incel documentary, I think the reviwer called it terrifying.

My nephew, in his 20s, has learning difficulties and is ND. His mum told me she thought he'd been on incel-type forums. I've told her to block them.

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2022 14:59

@IcakethereforeIam yeah the fact that he had been in the house was the bit that did it for me. I remember seeing the neatly propped up letter on one of the bottom steps and just backtracking straight out of the house.

I rang the builders first to make sure they hadn't put it there. They hadn't. Then rang the police and sat locked in my car until they came out. The two police women checked the entire house top to bottom, I even made them check the loft! Then they went off to put the fear of god in him I presume. He admitted to them he'd been in and put the letter on the stairs.

I do remember waiting for the builders the next morning and giving them the absolute bollocking of their life. I came home a free times in the following week's at random times and every time I did the builders had learnt their lesson and the door was locked. But the whole thing spooked me for a while and I'd have to check everywhere when I got home.

I'd forgotten how spooked it made me at the time.

It does make me look at films that practically encourage this sort of "romantic" behaviour in a completely different light these days.

As for the absolute whack job in the opening post I'm sure he'll be in the news again at some point in the future for something much worse than his current offerings. Because he Obviously doesn't see anything wrong with assuming that All women want to be scared shitless when going about their daily lives because we all secretly fantasize about getting raped by a stranger.

And having just watched the channel 4 prog about incels I'm genuinely worried for the young girls and women who are having to deal with all this with social media thrown into the mix.

I can't think why there's a record number of teenage girls opting out of being female at all!!!!!!

IcakethereforeIam · 08/11/2022 15:06

Yeah, calm and matter of fact as you please, 'women fantasise about rape', 'she should do porn'. Horrifying. To two Police Officers. There aren't enough exclamation marks in the world.

Boiledbeetle · 08/11/2022 15:29

IcakethereforeIam · 08/11/2022 15:06

Yeah, calm and matter of fact as you please, 'women fantasise about rape', 'she should do porn'. Horrifying. To two Police Officers. There aren't enough exclamation marks in the world.

I know right!!😮
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How Did I mange to do two upside down ones?

IcakethereforeIam · 08/11/2022 15:35

Spanish?

ArabellaScott · 08/11/2022 16:59

beetle, how utterly terrifying. I'm so sorry.

Datun · 08/11/2022 17:40

IcakethereforeIam · 08/11/2022 15:06

Yeah, calm and matter of fact as you please, 'women fantasise about rape', 'she should do porn'. Horrifying. To two Police Officers. There aren't enough exclamation marks in the world.

God, That's right, he recommended she do porn! Because porn is about rape fantasies, which all women have, so they should do the porn about the rape fantasies. It's a revolting circular argument.

Ugh.

WeeBisom · 09/11/2022 10:24

It was incredibly creepy how he was using all the liberal feminist talking points. “I just want to give her a choice!”, “women love bdsm and porn!” For people saying he’s mentally ill, he might be … but I just see him as a man who is being surprisingly candid for once.

It was also disappointing to me how the cops said “you deserve to be attacked by her father for stalking her”. It just seemed like they were relying on the good old patriarchal protection scheme (dads will use violence to protect daughters from other men), rather than emphasising to him that it was a messed up thing to do and illegal no matter whether a woman has a personal male protector or not. They transformed it into a dispute between two aggressive males, a personal spat, rather than it being an objective legal wrong.

IcakethereforeIam · 09/11/2022 10:34

WeeBisom · 09/11/2022 10:24

It was incredibly creepy how he was using all the liberal feminist talking points. “I just want to give her a choice!”, “women love bdsm and porn!” For people saying he’s mentally ill, he might be … but I just see him as a man who is being surprisingly candid for once.

It was also disappointing to me how the cops said “you deserve to be attacked by her father for stalking her”. It just seemed like they were relying on the good old patriarchal protection scheme (dads will use violence to protect daughters from other men), rather than emphasising to him that it was a messed up thing to do and illegal no matter whether a woman has a personal male protector or not. They transformed it into a dispute between two aggressive males, a personal spat, rather than it being an objective legal wrong.

That stood out to me well, but I think they were trying to speak to him in a language he would understand. At least I hope so.

Withabonussock · 09/11/2022 10:36

It was also disappointing to me how the cops said “you deserve to be attacked by her father for stalking her”. It just seemed like they were relying on the good old patriarchal protection scheme (dads will use violence to protect daughters from other men), rather than emphasising to him that it was a messed up thing to do and illegal no matter whether a woman has a personal male protector or not. They transformed it into a dispute between two aggressive males, a personal spat, rather than it being an objective legal wrong.

Yes, I think it's a sign of how little trust there is in the police that posters here are saying that was a decent response from them. Okay, it wasn't the fist-pumping 'bitches be crazy' bantz that the Gabby Petito cops gave to Brian Laundrie, but couldn't they have taken him in? He just admitted to stalking this woman. Hopefully he'll leave her alone from now on, but it's not as if there aren't other incidents where police have known there was stalking, have failed to act, and the woman has ended up dead.

ArabellaScott · 09/11/2022 11:09

It was also disappointing to me how the cops said “you deserve to be attacked by her father for stalking her”. It just seemed like they were relying on the good old patriarchal protection scheme (dads will use violence to protect daughters from other men), rather than emphasising to him that it was a messed up thing to do and illegal no matter whether a woman has a personal male protector or not. They transformed it into a dispute between two aggressive males, a personal spat, rather than it being an objective legal wrong.

Yes, but I would say this man is highly deluded and perhaps not even capable of understanding right and wrong at all. Perhaps in need of medication, IDK.

Datun · 09/11/2022 12:13

Withabonussock · 09/11/2022 10:36

It was also disappointing to me how the cops said “you deserve to be attacked by her father for stalking her”. It just seemed like they were relying on the good old patriarchal protection scheme (dads will use violence to protect daughters from other men), rather than emphasising to him that it was a messed up thing to do and illegal no matter whether a woman has a personal male protector or not. They transformed it into a dispute between two aggressive males, a personal spat, rather than it being an objective legal wrong.

Yes, I think it's a sign of how little trust there is in the police that posters here are saying that was a decent response from them. Okay, it wasn't the fist-pumping 'bitches be crazy' bantz that the Gabby Petito cops gave to Brian Laundrie, but couldn't they have taken him in? He just admitted to stalking this woman. Hopefully he'll leave her alone from now on, but it's not as if there aren't other incidents where police have known there was stalking, have failed to act, and the woman has ended up dead.

Yes you're right. And for me, it's all about the lack of trust I have. I was expecting them to, if not collude, at least be more pally with him.

I was surprised that they were clearly shocked by his porn comments. I genuinely think that many police would have agreed with it.

ArabellaScott · 09/11/2022 12:30

I wonder if that is because they hear about it through/because of the woman's father? It maybe puts them in the position of seeing themselves as a protective male, rather than (as is often the case) seeing themselves as the sexual male.

IDK if that makes sense.

If the woman herself had called, if her father hadn't been involved, would they have responded in the same way?

I don't mean to impugn them - they could well be understanding and sensible men supportive of women.

heathspeedwell · 09/11/2022 12:51

Sorry that happened to you beetle. I totally understand how frustrating it is when people don't take it seriously.

When I first called the police about my stalker I was put through to a policewoman. She actually laughed when I recounted some of the things he had said. He had a very porn-informed view of women and it should have been obvious to anyone that he was sexually aroused by making me frightened.

For months I had to avoid walking anywhere on my own because he was waiting in his car every day to approach me. Luckily my female colleagues were very supportive, and two of them were walking behind me and managed to film him harassing me. Once he saw what they were doing, he tried to run all three of us over in his car. At this point the police finally took it very seriously and tracked him down. The main policeman who went above and beyond just happened to have a daughter whom he said looked like me, so I think it helped him to empathise.

Thelnebriati · 09/11/2022 13:05

I don't accept he's mentally ill or delusional, any more than a paedophile who excuses their abuse is mentally ill or delusional. He is where entitlement and radicalisation lead to, and its precisely why they are dangerous. He knows the law, he just doesn't think it should apply to him.

ArabellaScott · 09/11/2022 13:06

Jesus Christ, heath! That's horrific. Flowers

Boiledbeetle · 09/11/2022 13:26

@heathspeedwell 💐At least mine was over and done with in a relatively short period of time, a few weeks rather than months - and that was harrowing enough. I can't even imagine what damage he managed to do to your mental health over a period of months. I'm so sorry for what you went through. And really fucking annoyed that yet another woman has had to put up with this shit and partake in some man's sexual fantasy without their consent.

Boiled x

Datun · 09/11/2022 13:37

heathspeedwell · 09/11/2022 12:51

Sorry that happened to you beetle. I totally understand how frustrating it is when people don't take it seriously.

When I first called the police about my stalker I was put through to a policewoman. She actually laughed when I recounted some of the things he had said. He had a very porn-informed view of women and it should have been obvious to anyone that he was sexually aroused by making me frightened.

For months I had to avoid walking anywhere on my own because he was waiting in his car every day to approach me. Luckily my female colleagues were very supportive, and two of them were walking behind me and managed to film him harassing me. Once he saw what they were doing, he tried to run all three of us over in his car. At this point the police finally took it very seriously and tracked him down. The main policeman who went above and beyond just happened to have a daughter whom he said looked like me, so I think it helped him to empathise.

He had a very porn-informed view of women and it should have been obvious to anyone that he was sexually aroused by making me frightened.

I wonder if this is ever acknowledged in police training, etc. That very many men get sexually excited over frightening, humiliating or intimidating women. And that the male sex drive is one hell of a strong motivator, if not the strongest.

exexpat · 09/11/2022 13:52

The guy in the video has now been arrested, but probably only because the videos went viral on twitter. There are probably many more like him out there who don't provide handy video evidence of their own criminal behaviour and are dismissed as just harmless or romantic by the police.

ickky · 09/11/2022 17:36

I saw this yesterday, he definitely has some mental health problems. What I found very disturbing (amongst all the other very disturbing comments) was him saying he would make her straight!

I watched a few of his videos on his YouTube channel. 😵

A lot about doing a 1st amendment audits??? of public buildings and telling the staff they work for him etc.

I hope the woman has protection as they don't really have any stalking laws in the US.

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