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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

How is the support as a single mom in the UK

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mangomangodurian · 03/11/2022 02:28

Dear RAD FEMS, (sorry I'm very bad at writing and maybe could compose this thought better, it might seem all over the place but anyway) I live in the US and am 7 months pregnant and am learning what benefits and resources are available for moms. It's not great here. We don't have a paid maternity leave at all. You can get food stamps, I think for me and my child(once they are born)we can get $500 a month in food credit . Then they have a temporary assistance program that gives you some cash but for three years max then you can't use it the rest of your life. There is also something called the child tax credit which most families qualify for where the government sends you payments of $300 a month every year. Anyway I have a boyfriend, don't really know what I'd do without him. I trust my boyfriend pretty well, but involving a man in your child's life is a pretty big deal and I understand so many women are pressured into involving less than optimal men into a parental position out of poverty and fear that their child and themselves will not be taken care of. Well then there is the court which says that a bio father is entitled to his offspring which I find interesting considering all men have to do is cum then that I guess entitles them to be a parent I guess? When women are doing all the actual work of carrying a child, laboring, then breastfeeding all while doing serious bonding with the child the whole time. I just find it a strange thing like it might be a kind of patriarchal construct, that fatherhood is a right, just by cumming. Anyway You definitely need a support system here family/friends/or husband/Boyfriend. But interestingly in the US at least we normally get kicked out of our parents house as soon as we graduate highschool so we don't have a very strong family support system, compared to many other places(maybe most places) in the world. It is very expensive to rent for min wage workers and college is ridiculously expensive, as though you should even have to go to college to be able to have a decent quality of life. The whole situation just makes me question a lot lately. I read that most mammal and primate fathers aren't even involved in the care of their children at all. They don't even know who their kids are which can work to the advantage of offspring and their mothers as a male wouldn't kill a baby if he thinks it could possible be his. I think I also here over and over again this idea of a single male being the provider, as though the earth doesn't provide if we let it and males possess some special power that keeps us all alive,. Do you think males have colonized parenthood? Trying to assert there supposed importance in this area. To have automatic control of us and our children. To leech off of us. For automatic affection/maybe dinner and sex from a woman and a sense purpose and affection from having a child. Because it seems pretty rigged that way, custody laws/father rights, legal marriage of a man and woman and it's incentives, societal/ church tradition, the cost of living.... too many factors that are making me wonder. I see hippy/ liberal men on the internet that say stuff like WE are about to go into labor, they will even want to deliver the baby like they are trying so hard to be involved and seem progressive, what if we don't need males to be involved or put in equal work(because they never can) we just need our basic needs met and respected societally so we do not have to become so dependent on individual males and so we can simply take care of, protect and raise our children. Biscuit I'm not trying to say males can't be amazing people who we would want to be around help with kids, I just think that should be a earned right not an automatic one just from cumming haha

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mangomangodurian · 03/11/2022 02:35

If nurturing and childrearing was valued why is it not supported. I'm not saying it should be commodified, but at least why is that something that we aren't allowed to do and focus on because we have bills to pay. Oh right that's what the husbands for except then you have to answer to him if you should decide to rely on him

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howdoesatoastermaketoast · 06/11/2022 14:13

I think not as good as it used to be. But whilst patchy and a bit crap in practice it remains a generally accepted point that a single mum with a new born baby should not be homeless and starving to death.

Living in a freezing flat eating cold baked beans from a can whilst worrying about bills maybe at times - as anywhere a loving support network makes all the difference

Babdoc · 06/11/2022 14:19

It helps if the mother has a secure well paid career before choosing to have children.
I was a widowed single mother from when my DC were babies. I financed them by working as a hospital doctor, and raised them alone for their whole childhood. There was no support network, my nearest relatives were 240 miles away. But I did get the state widowed mother’s allowance, a princely £300 a month which did not even cover our food bill.

Danikm151 · 06/11/2022 14:24

unemployed single parents get UNiversal credit which will cover rent, adult element, child element and entitles to reduced council tax.
free medical prescriptions and healthy start vouchers for 5 years which buys milk and fruit and veg.

working single parents can get help towards childcare

NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 14:29

It’s shit.

The Gov thinks that as soon as they hit 3, and get 30 hours free* (it’s not, and it’s difficult AF to access), we can work. It doesn’t take into account

  • All childcare providers want 1 month UPFRONT. That will be a minimum of £1200 for full time.
  • The 30 hours are set sessions, determined by each childcare provider.
  • Childcare is only open from 8am-5:30pm Mon-Fri, 7:30am-6pm IG you’re lucky.
  • In my hometown, there were 3 fully booked, 18 month long wait list childminders (and places hardly ever actually existed as they’d be taken up by a current parent having another child 99% of the time)NO day nurseries, only 1 primary school out 6 had wrap around care (this is not unusual in deprived areas).
  • Public transport in my hometown is unreliable and expensive.
  • Plenty of Amazon etc jobs, in the industrial parks surrounding the town, but again, no buses so around an hours walk each way, depending on which end of town you live.
  • Childcare providers still demand payment when your child is off sick, we don’t get paid, though. And they’re sent home for the slightest sniffle, told not to come back for 48-72 hours, demand a GP clears them, therefore wasting NHS resources.
  • The system to get the childcare BACK PAID via Universal Credit is a joke, considering it often costs more than rent, mothers are then faced with paying the rent or their childcare.
  • It is assumed that all single mothers have family who can provide emergency childcare, and fill in any childcare gaps - not the case for most people.
  • Child Support barely exists and the Gov is toothless at collecting it.

I could go on…

NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 14:31

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ArabellaScott · 06/11/2022 14:39

Shut up?! FFS, take your own advice, and 'cop on to yourself', how bloody rude!

mathanxiety · 06/11/2022 14:39

What state are you in?

Dwrcegin · 06/11/2022 14:43

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NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 15:04

Did you not see the smug, horrible “women need to plan better” comment she made? This place is seriously going down the eugenics path with the constant stream of comments like that one.

But sure, go off like I’m the rude one.

Thelnebriati · 06/11/2022 15:11

Its worse than people realise.

Approx 30,000 women are illegally sacked every year when their employer finds out they are pregnant (many of them probably believed they had a secure well paid job. I know I did.)

Pregnant women are entitled to free dental care but as many as one million are missing out.
www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/no-dentist-will-see-me-one-million-pregnant-women-and-new-mothers-denied-free-nhs-dental-care/ar-AA11yuTe

Getting back to work can be challenging if you are on benefits and will claim tax credits, as you are not permitted to apply for jobs that are as an when contracts. You need fixed hours and fixed pay. (This applies to disabled claimants as well.)

ArabellaScott · 06/11/2022 15:55

NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 15:04

Did you not see the smug, horrible “women need to plan better” comment she made? This place is seriously going down the eugenics path with the constant stream of comments like that one.

But sure, go off like I’m the rude one.

Don't be ridiculous. You're putting words in her mouth and then making wild leaps of logic from those invented comments. Eugenics?! Good lord.

mangomangodurian · 06/11/2022 18:19

NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 15:04

Did you not see the smug, horrible “women need to plan better” comment she made? This place is seriously going down the eugenics path with the constant stream of comments like that one.

But sure, go off like I’m the rude one.

I don't think she was trying to be rude, but I think she might've not realized that it was sortve yes out of touch and I agree there was that undertone that I think she wasn't trying to sound like a eugenicists but it's become so normal now to blame women for their lack of support and the consequences of late stage capitalism which is obviously out of our control. I think this is the feminist issue and part of patriarchy that I'm most focused in on lately, I guess because I'm newly pregnant for the first time and learning what this means for me in my situation.

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mangomangodurian · 06/11/2022 18:25

Danikm151 · 06/11/2022 14:24

unemployed single parents get UNiversal credit which will cover rent, adult element, child element and entitles to reduced council tax.
free medical prescriptions and healthy start vouchers for 5 years which buys milk and fruit and veg.

working single parents can get help towards childcare

How much does the healthy start voucher cover? In the Us we have something called WIC and it was invented in the 70s and perhaps they never took in to account inflation because it's like a insignificant amount of money for food, and then, you have to choose from like the items they choose. All the items they choose are like low quality, limited cheap government subsidized carbohydrates or dairy and soy

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mangomangodurian · 06/11/2022 18:28

Danikm151 · 06/11/2022 14:24

unemployed single parents get UNiversal credit which will cover rent, adult element, child element and entitles to reduced council tax.
free medical prescriptions and healthy start vouchers for 5 years which buys milk and fruit and veg.

working single parents can get help towards childcare

The food stamp voucher is better, but the best thing, is at the farmers market they will double your food stamps. So you swipe your card for $25 and they give you $50 of credit for produce.

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mangomangodurian · 06/11/2022 18:30

But I'm guessing a single mom must leave her child to go work to make money to have adequate food and shelter? This is the part that i find quite strange. UNLESS you have a husband who makes money for the family then you don't have to be involuntary ripped away from your child?

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mangomangodurian · 06/11/2022 18:33

Thelnebriati · 06/11/2022 15:11

Its worse than people realise.

Approx 30,000 women are illegally sacked every year when their employer finds out they are pregnant (many of them probably believed they had a secure well paid job. I know I did.)

Pregnant women are entitled to free dental care but as many as one million are missing out.
www.msn.com/en-gb/health/familyhealth/no-dentist-will-see-me-one-million-pregnant-women-and-new-mothers-denied-free-nhs-dental-care/ar-AA11yuTe

Getting back to work can be challenging if you are on benefits and will claim tax credits, as you are not permitted to apply for jobs that are as an when contracts. You need fixed hours and fixed pay. (This applies to disabled claimants as well.)

Yeah I was talking to a lady from Poland recently who got demoted for taking a maternity leave when she was pregnant even though it pretty sure it was illegal

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mangomangodurian · 06/11/2022 18:35

mathanxiety · 06/11/2022 14:39

What state are you in?

I'm living in Missouri, but i have to Move to Washington DC next spring

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spaceshiptrain · 06/11/2022 18:39

NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 14:29

It’s shit.

The Gov thinks that as soon as they hit 3, and get 30 hours free* (it’s not, and it’s difficult AF to access), we can work. It doesn’t take into account

  • All childcare providers want 1 month UPFRONT. That will be a minimum of £1200 for full time.
  • The 30 hours are set sessions, determined by each childcare provider.
  • Childcare is only open from 8am-5:30pm Mon-Fri, 7:30am-6pm IG you’re lucky.
  • In my hometown, there were 3 fully booked, 18 month long wait list childminders (and places hardly ever actually existed as they’d be taken up by a current parent having another child 99% of the time)NO day nurseries, only 1 primary school out 6 had wrap around care (this is not unusual in deprived areas).
  • Public transport in my hometown is unreliable and expensive.
  • Plenty of Amazon etc jobs, in the industrial parks surrounding the town, but again, no buses so around an hours walk each way, depending on which end of town you live.
  • Childcare providers still demand payment when your child is off sick, we don’t get paid, though. And they’re sent home for the slightest sniffle, told not to come back for 48-72 hours, demand a GP clears them, therefore wasting NHS resources.
  • The system to get the childcare BACK PAID via Universal Credit is a joke, considering it often costs more than rent, mothers are then faced with paying the rent or their childcare.
  • It is assumed that all single mothers have family who can provide emergency childcare, and fill in any childcare gaps - not the case for most people.
  • Child Support barely exists and the Gov is toothless at collecting it.

I could go on…

Really? Our nursery just asked for a code that we got from the government website. We never gave them a penny. When did that change?

NukaColaQuantum · 06/11/2022 18:55

@spaceshiptrain lots of them now have “top up fees”. It’s posted about quite frequently on here and I’ve had friends tripped up by it too.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 06/11/2022 19:21

14 years ago I got £500 in maternity grant to buy things for the baby and nursing bras. I also had the healthy start vouchers for myself and my 3 year old. We also got tax credits, free dentistry, free prescriptions, free opticians

PomegranateOfPersephone · 06/11/2022 19:23

Oh and child benefit for the 3 year old.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 06/11/2022 19:24

I had access to the local SureStart centre too which was brilliant.

alanabennett · 06/11/2022 19:27

Support in the UK is vastly superior to that in the US, though not as comprehensive as Scandinavian countries. That said, I don't think (as someone who's lived in the US for twenty years) that it's the norm for young adults to be kicked out of home when they leave high school. Not at all.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 06/11/2022 19:30

The facts of motherhood are and have always been OP that in order to care for our babies we are dependent on others. That would have been the support of our tribe when we were gatherer/hunters, or in modern days of the baby’s father or our parents or the state, there is really no getting around this that I can see.

In the UK I think many parents will put a roof over their children’s heads into their early twenties. Either that or young people enter into house shares. Rent is ridiculously high at the moment.