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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Offender in court as both man AND woman

18 replies

GothMilk · 02/11/2022 16:56

A total mess of pronouns in this one.

Read elsewhere Morgan was held on remand at Cornton Vale (women's prison) with a comment from the solicitor that Morgan was being held in segregation but the solicitor wasn't sure why 🙄

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/9701112/flasher-appears-in-court-man-woman/amp/

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RoseslnTheHospital · 02/11/2022 17:04

They were in court as their immutable sex, which is male in this case. The courts and the solicitors (and journalists) involved should be beyond embarrassed at total obfuscation of language that they have all engaged in.

Do you think many people get to avoid going to prison because they find the thought of it extremely distressing? 🤔

picklemewalnuts · 02/11/2022 17:12

So it was as a Woman that he caused distress by public urination. Classic female behaviour that.

GothMilk · 02/11/2022 17:20

RoseslnTheHospital · 02/11/2022 17:04

They were in court as their immutable sex, which is male in this case. The courts and the solicitors (and journalists) involved should be beyond embarrassed at total obfuscation of language that they have all engaged in.

Do you think many people get to avoid going to prison because they find the thought of it extremely distressing? 🤔

The journalists hands are tied by IPSO and the curt by the bench book.

It should never have happened though.

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LizzieSiddal · 02/11/2022 17:21

Well I’m glad these men are bringing sunlight on the idiocy of what’s going on. They are providing a public service.

Boiledbeetle · 02/11/2022 17:26

This reminds me of a joke...

I went to see a therapist.

I said, "I'm not sure if I'm a man or a woman."

He said, "Right. Just pull your pants down for me."

I said, "No."

He said, "You're a woman."

😑I'll get my coat.

ResisterRex · 02/11/2022 17:48

A FLASHER who hurled pizza and a skateboard during a series of public order offences has broken new legal ground by appearing in court as both a man and a woman on the same day
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On the same complaint, she also admitted having a knife and shouting and swearing and referring to Andrew Rhynd in derogatory terms and uttering threats in April 2021.
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Morgan also admitted striking a cell door, exposing his buttocks and repeatedly spitting within a cell and pulling down his trousers to expose his genitals.

What a time to be alive.

Dreikanter · 02/11/2022 17:50

transcrimeuk.com/2022/04/29/alan-alannah-morgan/

What a charmer.

ArabellaScott · 02/11/2022 17:52

Of course exhibitionism/flashing can escalate. It's a paraphilia that forces others to participate unwillingly.

SammyScrounge · 02/11/2022 18:08

RoseslnTheHospital · 02/11/2022 17:04

They were in court as their immutable sex, which is male in this case. The courts and the solicitors (and journalists) involved should be beyond embarrassed at total obfuscation of language that they have all engaged in.

Do you think many people get to avoid going to prison because they find the thought of it extremely distressing? 🤔

I was thinking about that the other day. I am amazed at the number of convicted persons who are spared jail on the flimsiest of.pretexts (like the man you have told of)
when the person has committed serious offences and.has a long record of other convictions.
Does this explain why crime rates are rising?
Why are habitual criminals being endlessly recycled through the courts and the prisons?

mrshoho · 02/11/2022 21:05

What weird times we live in. How do judges and solicitors take this nonsense seriously?

Fenlandia · 02/11/2022 21:20

So is this person trans or not? We keep being told off for suggesting that some nefarious men will abuse trans identities and yet here we are. Is he only trans when he is being tried 'as a woman'?

Between him and the self-identifying disabled Norwegian, they are doing sterling service to shine a light on the lunacy.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 02/11/2022 21:32

mrshoho · 02/11/2022 21:05

What weird times we live in. How do judges and solicitors take this nonsense seriously?

Presumably they accept that they will appear similar to Keir Starmer - incoherent, lacking in common sense and integrity and prepared to utter tripe in order to pander to a powerful bullying minority? Confused

ResisterRex · 03/11/2022 05:18

Covered in the Times and Telegraph:

Abusive flasher makes legal history by admitting offences as man and woman

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3e9704f0-5ac8-11ed-962f-53da0c787308?shareToken=0ee76d91a5c7c21196fcc796a47a06fa

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/11/02/transgender-criminal-makes-history-appearing-court-man-woman/

PriOn1 · 03/11/2022 05:31

Interesting that in both offences against the police, he was recorded by his sex, but in the cases where he was behaving in a threatening manner against others, he was falsely recorded as being female. I wonder if the police gave him short shrift about the ludicrous claim that he’s a woman when he was actually being offensive to them, rather than someone else.

NitroNine · 03/11/2022 05:58

(From “The Times”)
Solicitor Jane Caird, defending…urged the court not to jail Morgan because she was extremely distressed by the prospect of being sentenced to a prison term.
“I’m asking the court to deal with it without sending my client to custody. She is extremely fearful of that and feels it would put her ten steps backwards.”

Sheriff Alistair Carmichael placed Morgan on a tag for three months to cover all of the cases and ordered her to stay indoors between 7pm and 7am each day.
He said: “The combination of these offences puts this at the custodial threshold, so it would be worthy of a prison sentence, but I’m obliged to look at alternatives.”

Obviously I’m aware of the phenomenon of institutionalisation as it specifically relates to [habitual] offenders; but it cannot be overemphasised that it is in fact completely normal for people to be horrified at the idea of being sent to prison. The way that’s meant to work, though, is that fear would act as a deterrent should an individual consider engaging in criminality - or in behaviour (eg the consumption of alcohol) they know for them personally is likely to result in their engaging in criminality. This whole “commit crimes” “wail about not wanting to go to prison because they are a delicate wee blossom” “be indulged by judicial system” “commit more crimes” cycle is as enraging as it is unsurprising.

Some judges need to have a think about the oath they swore/affirmation they made on becoming judges; specifically their promise to “…do right to all manner of people after the laws and usages of this realm, without fear or favour, affection or ill will.” Because at the moment some manners of people are receiving significant favour & [apparent] affection.

mrshoho · 03/11/2022 07:50

Meanwhile thousands of women receive jail sentences each year for fraud/shoplifting/theft crimes. I'm not condoning these types of crime but I'm sure prison for these women also put them "10 steps backwards."

334bu · 03/11/2022 08:07

Never happens says SNP government.

canyouextrapol · 03/11/2022 08:11

So people don't have to go to prison if it upsets them? Interesting how the law works

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