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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Sunak intends to review the EA

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ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 10:22

This tucked in an article in the Telegraph on sex ed in schools:

'Mr Sunak also intends to look to review the Equality Act to make it clear that sex means biological sex rather than gender.
This would mean that biological males cannot compete in women’s sport and other single-sex facilities such as changing rooms and women’s refuges will be protected.
It would also mean clarifying that self-identification for transgender people does not have legal force, meaning transgender women have no legal right to access women-only facilities.
A Downing Street source said that protecting women and girls is a priority for Mr Sunak’s administration.'

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/27/age-appropriate-sex-education-set-enforced-sunak-administration/

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Live4weekend · 28/10/2022 17:58

Even if the EA is tightened up, these males are not going to respect that.

Middle aged straight white men. They have had a life full of entitlement. We do not matter. We are simply there for their validation.

nilsmousehammer · 28/10/2022 18:05

Live4weekend · 28/10/2022 17:58

Even if the EA is tightened up, these males are not going to respect that.

Middle aged straight white men. They have had a life full of entitlement. We do not matter. We are simply there for their validation.

It will take time to turn around, yes. But a clear government message that women's spaces are single SEX only and that does not include any male regardless of how they identify would empower females to challenge males in their spaces and to expect organisations and buildings to support with removing invaders. Who if they kick off about it can be arrested. This necessitates de politicising the police and making them do their actual jobs instead of work for Stonewall, but also very easy.

Then encourage the provision of third spaces. Everyone has an accessible space, needs are met, males determinedly invading female only spaces after that to meet their own needs? Are being fairly clear about their objective.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 18:07

Live4weekend · 28/10/2022 17:48

Exactly.

If we have to accept Transwoman in our spaces, then we need a publicity campaign to explain who can use female spaces, including the fact that they can be an intact male who has not done anything to become a 'woman'.

We need to be clear how many women/ girls will be raped / murdered each year to enable us to be 'inclusive'.

We need to know how the risks to female inmates.

We need to know how many domestic abuse / sexual abuse victims are self excluding from shelters / groups set up to help them.

We need to understand how many women are self excluding from sport centres/ swimming pools because they no longer have access to female only sessions (for some this was their only chance to escape male domination).

We need to know what chance there will be of being on a hospital ward with a male.

It might be that it is decided that these are all risks we need to take for the sake of inclusion.

But females need to know that they do not have the same rights as males.

Because what we have now is not equality. Not for females anyway. And for any organisation/ government to claim women are equal are lying plain and simple.

Yes.

Let us educate our daughters how and why they must sacrifice their privacy, dignity and safety on the altar of male feelings.

I'm sure there are plenty of willing organisations who will be delighted to educate our girls in how to be compliant and accommodating.

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nilsmousehammer · 28/10/2022 18:08

A major publicity campaign will also be needed to make sure schools, children, general public are all well aware that inclusion means everyone, including the female ones, and that spaces provided for females are needed and must be respected. Equality law protecting them. And that male people don't get to take fair and equal access away from females because they wanna. And will kick off if not permitted to.

DrDinosaur · 28/10/2022 18:09

IANAL, but I often hear it said that the GRA can't be repealed because of the European Convention on Human Rights, and I don't think that's true.
We now have gay marriage and equal pension ages, for a start.
And as regards the 'privacy' aspects, ie the right for transsexuals to live 'stealth', they were clearly considering very small numbers who had had extensive treatment to look like the opposite sex. And the impact on wider society, especially on women, was not considered as the numbers involved were believed to be too small to have a significant impact.

I think it should be repealed, and if TRA's are not happy, they should go back to Strasbourg and argue that it's a human right for any man to be legally recognised as a woman if he fancies, regardless of the effect on women.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 18:13

And as regards the 'privacy' aspects, ie the right for transsexuals to live 'stealth', they were clearly considering very small numbers who had had extensive treatment to look like the opposite sex.

See, I just don't understand how the 'small numbers' thing makes the slightest bit of difference. IMO the rightness or wrongness is what matters.

In many situations it just doesn't matter what sex someone is; when it does matter then it really does matter and its morally wrong to pretend it doesn't.

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Live4weekend · 28/10/2022 18:31

nilsmousehammer · 28/10/2022 18:08

A major publicity campaign will also be needed to make sure schools, children, general public are all well aware that inclusion means everyone, including the female ones, and that spaces provided for females are needed and must be respected. Equality law protecting them. And that male people don't get to take fair and equal access away from females because they wanna. And will kick off if not permitted to.

These males are never going to respect us.

They claim that we are in no more danger because they are 'women'.

They seem to get offended when we say they are a risk- surely not them personally?

What they fail to comprehend, is a middle aged male all of a sudden deciding he is a woman and starting to use female only spaces is a massive red flag.

Decent people do not do this.

They know it will not be policed so they will carry on as is.

It needs the current TRAs and supporters of TWAW ideology to turn again them using Female spaces.

There will be more and more incidents and the public will become more aware. But lots of female victims 1st sadly. In the meantime, as a mother, I will try and protect my girl as much as possible and hopefully she will be wise to the risks.

Datun · 28/10/2022 18:43

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 18:13

And as regards the 'privacy' aspects, ie the right for transsexuals to live 'stealth', they were clearly considering very small numbers who had had extensive treatment to look like the opposite sex.

See, I just don't understand how the 'small numbers' thing makes the slightest bit of difference. IMO the rightness or wrongness is what matters.

In many situations it just doesn't matter what sex someone is; when it does matter then it really does matter and its morally wrong to pretend it doesn't.

Same.

A number was done on those MPs in parliament. Emotional blackmail, linking it to gay rights, etc.

And, it has to be said, sometimes men in particular, don't like to think too deeply about all the details of a transsexual. Being told that their life can only be managed if they have their penis cut off would've been enough to end many a conversation.

Musomama1 · 28/10/2022 19:49

I wonder if this and other things will get pushed as this is an easy vote winner at a time when it looks highly likely Labour will get in at the next election.

Slightly out of desperation?

Deadcatsboneytale · 29/10/2022 00:11

Does it matter if it’s desperation, they are still getting on with it.

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