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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Left Wing Men

41 replies

WandaWomblesaurus · 28/10/2022 08:52

Who think they are progressive...
Still misogynists whilst calling right wing men out.
I've a few of these on my Facebook. How they love to jump on any post I make about womens rights.

Nauseating. And what makes it even worse is the superiority they feel because they aren't Tories. Massive blind spot really.

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SquirrelSoShiny · 28/10/2022 11:27

teawamutu · 28/10/2022 11:15

They've all read this.

That is brilliant 👏 😂

Hoppinggreen · 28/10/2022 11:30

It’s not Left Wing men per se, it’s a certain type of “woke bro” who thinks his misogyny is ok because he’s a Socialist.
I agree that if I HAD to pick a sexist to spend time with it would be a Right wing one, at least the hypocrisy would be at a lower level

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 11:46

Too many beardbros, whispering voices
Faces on posters, too many choices

He/him, why, what? How much have you got?
Have you got it, do you get it

If so, how often?

Which do you choose
Enby or fluid option?
(What proof do you need?)

In a West End town, a deadbeat trend
The East End boys and Left Wing Men
The Wrong Side of History, women to scold
The East End boys and Left Wing Men

Left Wing Men
Left Wing Men

MsMarch · 28/10/2022 11:59

I have a good friend who I love very much and have known almost my entire life. He's thoughtful, considerate and very willing to listen to other views and adjust his thinking. Over time, he has become more liberal as he's really thought about the issues etc. One of the areas he just really struggled with was understanding his own in-built misogyny. eg, he gave me this whole sob story about a friend whose wife was "taking him to the cleaners" when she hadn't worked for years and his friend had been doing 70 hour weeks so why should he give up his hard earned cash etc etc etc..... knowing this friend, I asked him how exactly he thought the wife was supposed to work when they moved every 2 years for this guy's job, and.... he was doing 70 hour weeks even though they had three young children? It literally had not crossed his mind.

He's getting better and better all the time though. His new girlfriend helps - she's as lefty as they come, works in social care etc! Grin But for a while there, I did wonder if our 30+ year friendship was going to survive!

IHateFlies · 28/10/2022 12:40

I find with the aggressive left, they really seem to detest women and think nothing of verbal abuse. My friend had it done to her in the street when an online date turned sour because he launched into politics on a first date and found out she'd voted Tory in the last election.
She was pretty shaken up.
Right wing mens misogyny comes from wanting women to service them and they in return, will provide for their wives and children.
I remember reading on mumsnet that right wing men want women to be private property and left wing men want them to be public property. So true.

MariEllie · 28/10/2022 12:43

Not progressive. Just the old misogynist crap dressed up with OK phrases. They deceive only the gullible - and themselves.

TheClitterati · 28/10/2022 21:47

Yes I had my eyes opened to all these "left wing" misogynists a few years ago now. They are,sadly, bountiful.

BlackForestCake · 28/10/2022 21:56

right wing men want women to be private property and left wing men want them to be public property

If the left wing men actually read Marx:

“The bourgeois sees in his wife a mere instrument of production. He hears that the instruments of production are to be exploited in common, and, naturally, can come to no other conclusion than that the lot of being common to all will likewise fall to the women. He has not even a suspicion that the real point is to do away with the status of women as mere instruments of production.”

scaredoff · 28/10/2022 22:11

JoonT · 28/10/2022 10:57

I generally find 'political' people unbearable, whatever their views. Most sensible, intelligent people know there are no simple answers. We must muddle along as best we can. Considering what human beings really are (violent, territorial, irrational, status-obsessed apes), it's a miracle we have any civilization at all. Personally, I'm a skeptical, slightly pessimistic centrist. Any attempt to re-order society according to grand, abstract ideals is doomed. During the 20-century, various dreamers tried to impose Marxism, and 100 million people died as a result.

People who claim to be 'socialists' or 'libertarians,' or whatever, are usually narrow-minded and intolerant. Talking to them is like talking to a religious fundamentalist. They don't think for themselves. They don't need to. They already have all the answers. Thatcher and Corbyn are two sides of the same coin.

You see it online. No matter what the issue, a left-wing person will simply regurgitate the liberal-left position. But it isn't their opinion. It's just what they think they ought to think. Even worse are the people who don't really believe it at all. They just think it's cool to be left-wing.

But centrists are just as political as anyone else - they just happen to be expousing a political position that is closer to the current status quo. And they are perfectly capable of being narrow-minded and intolerant, for example in assuming that the answer to every problem must always be a centrist one and thus not considering other points of view on their merits for a particular issue.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 22:15

But centrists are just as political as anyone else - they just happen to be expousing a political position that is closer to the current status quo. And they are perfectly capable of being narrow-minded and intolerant, for example in assuming that the answer to every problem must always be a centrist one and thus not considering other points of view on their merits for a particular issue.

Do you think? That sounds like an accidental centrist to me. Someone is capable of delberately choosing to be in the centre in order to try and make compromise, specifically because they have considered that other people have other points of view and that there is no one true answer.

Sausagenbacon · 28/10/2022 22:18

That's brilliant Arabella

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 22:42

Well, I thought it was the whole point of the Libdems. Before they lost the plot.

scaredoff · 28/10/2022 23:02

@ArabellaScott So why aren't we all centrists on gender issues then? Considering "that other people have other points of view and that there is no one true answer", and so trying to find a compromise that gives as much consideration to TWAW, puberty blockers for children and transmen's right to work in rape crisis centres as it does to women's rights?

Because it doesn't work that way. There may not be only one right answer, but there are certainly plenty of wrong ones.

ArabellaScott · 28/10/2022 23:12

I'd call myself a centrist. It's a matter of perspective, perhaps.

Doesn't mean that every viewpoint/decision is valid, or without harm. There are millions of possible positions; one obvioulsy can't satisfy everyone. I'd say a centrist aims to find middle ground that is as fair as possible to the most amount of people and avoids extremes.

Mollyollydolly · 29/10/2022 01:12

Rosie Duffield tweeted this tonight. Look at the retweets, 100's of men incandescent with rage they can't control her or shut her up, and 100s of women thanking her for being brave.
All I see is misogyny, how people (women especially) can't see it is beyond me.

Left Wing Men
SaintLoy · 04/01/2023 19:39

@MangyInseam - "And I also think it's a bad idea to make this assumption that any man who isn't in lockstep with your own thinking about women is a misogynist." Absolutely. Thank you.

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