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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Age-appropriate sex education set to be enforced by Sunak administration

55 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 27/10/2022 23:23

Article in the Telegraph this evening - apt as Clare Page is gardening to challenge the ICO's decision on parents being able to see materials. (Usual place "Transparency In Schools - FOI Appeal To Access Secret Lesson Plan")

BAck to the DT article

"There are concerns that third-party companies are exposing schoolchildren to explicit content and contentious ideas about gender....

The Prime Minister wants to strengthen guidance for teachers on relationships and sex education (RSE) to make sure children are only taught lessons that are age-appropriate.

It comes amid concerns that some schools are contracting sex education out to third-party companies which are exposing youngsters to explicit content and contentious ideas about gender.

Parents would also be given greater rights to request sight of the materials, even if they are provided by a commercial organisation, under the plans.

Current Government guidance on relationships and sex education makes clear that parents should have visibility of what is being taught to their children, such as the books used in lessons....

But parents have complained that they are being denied access to contentious resources in areas such as race, transgender and sex education where external inclusion companies provide them.

Earlier this month the Information Commissioner ruled that parents are forbidden from receiving a copy of the content of sex education lessons which urged children to become transgender allies...."

read more

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/10/27/age-appropriate-sex-education-set-enforced-sunak-administration/

And no details but the article ends:

"Mr Sunak also intends to look to review the Equality Act to make it clear that sex means biological sex rather than gender.

This would mean that biological males cannot compete in women’s sport and other single-sex facilities such as changing rooms and women’s refuges will be protected.

It would also mean clarifying that self-identification for transgender people does not have legal force, meaning transgender women have no legal right to access women-only facilities.

A Downing Street source said that protecting women and girls is a priority for Mr Sunak’s administration."

The above does not quite make sense as I don't think amending the Equality Act of itself would mean that spaces all become single sex suddenly unless the government is moving on that separately. And I believe transwomen don't have the right to enter spaces declared 'single sex' now - the problem is so few places actually declare their toilets or changing rooms absolutely single sex. What would be good would be if the government would say they (pubs, shops and other businesses) have to have single sex spaces and may have unisex in addition. Fingers crossed!

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MangyInseam · 28/10/2022 00:30

Well, I hope this comes to fruition. I am, provisionally, happy with the direction and progress being made to push this stuff back. I think it's a long haul project but it's beginning to get moving.

ResisterRex · 28/10/2022 06:25

There's an archive link in here:

twitter.com/safeschools_uk/status/1585743939969097729?s=46&t=q4HzVtxlrzBIvjHBq55Akw

JellySaurus · 28/10/2022 07:33

It would also mean clarifying that self-identification for transgender people does not have legal force, meaning transgender women have no legal right to access women-only facilities.

I wonder where this paragraph comes from. Is it the journalist's choice of words, or is it lifted from something issued by the government? Because the language used needs to be crystal clear. "Transgender people" is universally understood to refer to people who are transgender. IE people of either sex, who identify as something other than their actual sex. But what does "transgender women" mean? In this context it is clearly being used to mean the complete opposite of what it actually means.

Language used in legislation must be crystal clear. Using the word 'woman' in any reference to male people is meaningless.

waterwitch · 28/10/2022 07:43

Like the principles, but Gillian Keegan (education sec) is all TWAW, so I wonder how it will actually play out

MarshaBradyo · 28/10/2022 07:45

Sounds good

TodayInahurry · 28/10/2022 07:45

Good, about time the government stood up to these bullies. I wonder where Starmer stands on this?

Hoardasurass · 28/10/2022 07:47

This is good news particularly the strengthening of the equality act especially with regards to self id as it will through a even bigger spanner into Stergeons gra bill 😀

Signalbox · 28/10/2022 07:49

Hoardasurass · 28/10/2022 07:47

This is good news particularly the strengthening of the equality act especially with regards to self id as it will through a even bigger spanner into Stergeons gra bill 😀

I do hope the Government challenge the GRR in the courts and don’t just leave it to FWS to do.

roarfeckingroarr · 28/10/2022 07:54

Well done Rishi.

It's nice having an adult back at the helm.

ResisterRex · 28/10/2022 07:59

Signalbox

macemagazine.com/erskine/

"There is a strong case for urgent dialogue between Whitehall and the Scottish government, and Westminster and Holyrood, to address the uncertainties and risks of this Bill. It would be far better to resolve this by political dialogue, rather than through the courts."

I wonder which way this will go?

JulesCobb · 28/10/2022 08:03

This would be a positive step. Although, if the school gets in an outside speaker, at an extra cost and likely to plug gaps where the staff have a lack of required skills and knowledge in that area, they're not secret. Outside providers gave websites with the info on. Parents could always look them up.

Hoardasurass · 28/10/2022 08:17

@JulesCobb unfortunately most of these groups don't publish the material that they use in school due to "corporate sensitivity " as such parents have no idea what is being taught or who exactly will be teaching it and if you look at say educate and celebrate who apparently doesn't even know which of there (former) patrons have actually been in schools. Also the proud Trust with there dice game and you can see the problem

sashh · 28/10/2022 08:18

I'm cynical. I think he knows this could be a vote winner. But even if that is his motivation I'm happy it is being looked at.

LizzieSiddal · 28/10/2022 08:22

Like the principles, but Gillian Keegan (education sec) is all TWAW, so I wonder how it will actually play out

She was a couple of years ago, but she seems to have listened and changed her mind. Apologies, there were quite a few posts with evidence of this change a week ago, but can’t remember which thread!

MarshaBradyo · 28/10/2022 08:23

roarfeckingroarr · 28/10/2022 07:54

Well done Rishi.

It's nice having an adult back at the helm.

Yep

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2022 08:27

This is positive and an indication the the government are aware of the grim situation in some of the leading charities (Mermaids, Stonewall, Educate & Celebrate) who have employed adults to work with children / schools who should be nowhere near them
Given the extreme behaviours that have been exposed recently in terms of paedophilia and porn, I suspect there's a major scandal that will be shortly exposed by journalists.

Signalbox · 28/10/2022 08:39

ResisterRex · 28/10/2022 07:59

Signalbox

macemagazine.com/erskine/

"There is a strong case for urgent dialogue between Whitehall and the Scottish government, and Westminster and Holyrood, to address the uncertainties and risks of this Bill. It would be far better to resolve this by political dialogue, rather than through the courts."

I wonder which way this will go?

A dialogue would certainly be better. I can’t see Sturgeron going along with that though. In fact I think she wants a fight with Westminster and this could well be the way to provoke them. If they’d been up for compromise they’d have listened to the numerous women who have given evidence at the consultation stage. I wonder if they’ve made any amendments at all after hearing women’s concerns? Or was every single concern raised “invalid”.

JulesCobb · 28/10/2022 08:42

Hoardasurass · 28/10/2022 08:17

@JulesCobb unfortunately most of these groups don't publish the material that they use in school due to "corporate sensitivity " as such parents have no idea what is being taught or who exactly will be teaching it and if you look at say educate and celebrate who apparently doesn't even know which of there (former) patrons have actually been in schools. Also the proud Trust with there dice game and you can see the problem

I had educate and celebrate recommended recently. Are they one to avoid?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2022 08:50

JulesCobb
According to Jordan Gray (google carefully but indecent exposure and penis playing a piano might jog your memory ! ) Educate & Celebrate sent them in to primary schools to talk to children about "gender identity". E & C have now removed his details as a patron, as well removing the details of Peter Tatchell from their site - another man who has written about the "positive experiences" young children can have from sexual relationships with adults.

Signalbox · 28/10/2022 08:51

sashh · 28/10/2022 08:18

I'm cynical. I think he knows this could be a vote winner. But even if that is his motivation I'm happy it is being looked at.

Sunak has 2 children doesn’t he? I don’t know what age group but presumably he would feel as strongly as the next parent about them not being brainwashed in school by the likes of Stonewall et al.

ResisterRex · 28/10/2022 09:11

Signalbox

Sturgeon might have painted herself into a corner? If this is right, that is:

twitter.com/dalgetysusan/status/1585676800302235648?s=48&t=q4HzVtxlrzBIvjHBq55Akw

"Predicament for Nicola Sturgeon. If she withdraws whip from 9 who voted against/abstained on GRR, she loses her majority and is in hock to Greens. If she doesn't act, she loses authority in group. Whatever, she is no longer omnipotent. Interesting."

Also it seems the size of and indeed any rebellion at this stage wasn't expected:

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1585747368040747008?s=46&t=YKpRT3EX_xS2qtfxKBkIFg

"Thank to all of you who reached out after the debate today.

We always knew stage one would pass. The real surprise was that there was dissent at this stage.

The next part is where the battle will be won. We start now. #No2SelfID #ThisIsMyNo #NoToSelfID"

ResisterRex · 28/10/2022 09:12

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2022 08:50

JulesCobb
According to Jordan Gray (google carefully but indecent exposure and penis playing a piano might jog your memory ! ) Educate & Celebrate sent them in to primary schools to talk to children about "gender identity". E & C have now removed his details as a patron, as well removing the details of Peter Tatchell from their site - another man who has written about the "positive experiences" young children can have from sexual relationships with adults.

There's video of Gray speaking to school children in an academy circulating.

waterwitch · 28/10/2022 09:26

@LizzieSiddal I picked that up on her webpage - but can’t find it now, so I’m really happy if I’m out of date, thank you

Signalbox · 28/10/2022 09:37

ResisterRex · 28/10/2022 09:11

Signalbox

Sturgeon might have painted herself into a corner? If this is right, that is:

twitter.com/dalgetysusan/status/1585676800302235648?s=48&t=q4HzVtxlrzBIvjHBq55Akw

"Predicament for Nicola Sturgeon. If she withdraws whip from 9 who voted against/abstained on GRR, she loses her majority and is in hock to Greens. If she doesn't act, she loses authority in group. Whatever, she is no longer omnipotent. Interesting."

Also it seems the size of and indeed any rebellion at this stage wasn't expected:

twitter.com/forwomenscot/status/1585747368040747008?s=46&t=YKpRT3EX_xS2qtfxKBkIFg

"Thank to all of you who reached out after the debate today.

We always knew stage one would pass. The real surprise was that there was dissent at this stage.

The next part is where the battle will be won. We start now. #No2SelfID #ThisIsMyNo #NoToSelfID"

Good grief. They are so blinkered aren’t they? It must be fake though. They must know by now that most SNP voters do not support this legislation, that most women do not support it, that a number of their own MPs and MSPs do not support it. To claim surprise just makes it look like they are not listening.
🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉🙉

MrsOvertonsWindow · 28/10/2022 09:38

Thank you ResisterRex.
Jordan was picked as an "inspirational woman" for an International Women's Day event at Passmores Academy school in Harlow, Essex..
Of course, nothing represents inspirational women more to young people, especially girls, than a naked born male with a penchant for playing the piano with his penis Hmm