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LuciferRising · 2022-10-27T08:42:01+00:00

Reading this new policy because I thought it could help me. I work in the CS. However, it talks about it impacting cis-gendered women. Is it even safe to challenge this?

Livetoplay · 27/10/2022 11:18

Our current policy, and all official missives, doesn’t mention women at all. Just people who menstruate. Really not sure we can’t just say women and others who menstruate…

Asdavaluesausage · 27/10/2022 11:30

Allsnotwell · 27/10/2022 09:58

Trans women vs. Cis women

Trans women is a shorthand term for transgender women. It defines women who were assigned a male sex at birth but exist as women. If you identify as a woman and you're not a transgender woman, you're likely a cis woman

Well there you go - we’ve been redefined!

They can fuck right off with that bollocks

midgetastic · 27/10/2022 11:45

Exist as a woman

What does that mean ?

I don't do most things many other women do - does that mean I am not one?

The only reason I thought I was one was because I don't have a penis

Am I wrong ?
Am I am man?
Yet I still get menopause
Despite being neither a transgender or cisgender women

reigatecastle · 27/10/2022 11:58

This prompted me to look at ours. It just refers to women and people with other gender identities; and then refers to colleague (and their, not her) throughout. No mention of the ghastly "cis" though so like a pp I can live with it.

Catabogus · 27/10/2022 12:20

DontAskIDontKnow · 27/10/2022 09:53

Our menopause policy doesn’t even have the word woman or female. I’m trying to get on a diversity panel and I’m hoping I can change it through that. If not, I’m going to start nagging HR.

To accept being called ‘cis’ you have to accept gender identity ideology. It is exclusionary language. Also, menopause affects trans-identifying women ( especially if they are on cross-sex hormones), so again it is exclusionary.

The only people that should be left out are trans-identifying men. Taking cross-sex hormones can give them similar symptoms to the menopause, but it’s not menopause.

Ours doesn’t either. It seems to have been written by Stonewall. I’m keen to find a way to challenge it.

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LuciferRising · 27/10/2022 12:39

Princessglittery · 27/10/2022 11:16

@LuciferRising using employees as a gender neutral term is very standard in CS policies and not one I would challenge.

I do think you could challenge Cis and particularly Cisgendered women. Suggest they use women, trans men and non-binary OFAB (Observed female at/before birth). Make it clear AFAB is considered offensive to people with DSD (Disorder/difference of Sex Development)

You may be able to lift some information from this guidance by Sex Matters sex-matters.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/Media-handbook.pdf#page9

I'm fine with most of the other details, just the use of cis. I'll take a look thank you.

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DontAskIDontKnow · 27/10/2022 15:15

Catabogus · 27/10/2022 12:20

Ours doesn’t either. It seems to have been written by Stonewall. I’m keen to find a way to challenge it.

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My current plan is to talk to HR, or someone, about how boring and repetitive it is. It probably is the worlds most uninspiring document. I’m going to offer to help improve it.

KittenKong · 27/10/2022 19:35

Is ask what the chuff gender has to do with menopause. And keep asking. Like a toddler ‘but why?’ ‘How’ ‘I don’t understand, please explain how your choice of haircut and clothes and how you ‘feel’ has any effect on menopause?’

WandaWomblesaurus · 29/10/2022 23:54

sorrynotathome · 27/10/2022 09:43

Well it’s not even true really. Menopause can affect trans women - it’s all about hormones…

What are you talking about!?!??!

WandaWomblesaurus · 30/10/2022 08:49

The could, if they wanted to, talk about "Hormonal Issues in the Workplace." Then they could talk about women and transmen experiencing menopause, some men experiencing andropause and some trans people generally experiencing hormonal issues dependent on their hormone treatment path.

Why can't they do this?

WandaWomblesaurus · 30/10/2022 08:49

The could, if they wanted to, talk about "Hormonal Issues in the Workplace." Then they could talk about women and transmen experiencing menopause, some men experiencing andropause and some trans people generally experiencing hormonal issues dependent on their hormone treatment path.

Why can't they do this?

That should say "some men and some transwomen experiencing andropause"

AlisonDonut · 30/10/2022 08:50

WandaWomblesaurus · 29/10/2022 23:54

What are you talking about!?!??!

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My guess is that person thinks a trans woman is a female who IDs as a male.

Trustylion · 30/10/2022 09:00

Males identifying as women DO NOT experience the symptoms of menopause. The same as they do not experience periods or PMT. They do not have a hormone cycle, nor the receptors or bodily structures to make that possible. They may experience some withdrawal symptoms I guess if they suddenly stop taking estrogen in their forties/fifties but that is not the menopause.

As a woman currently experiencing distressing menopause symptoms for the first time i take huge issue with men larping at women's biological reality.

I hope that poster was confused and meant women who think they are men will also experience the menopause i.e trans men.

PomegranateOfPersephone · 30/10/2022 09:36

AlisonDonut · 30/10/2022 08:50

My guess is that person thinks a trans woman is a female who IDs as a male.

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Me too, it is a very common assumption that trans woman means a woman who is trans in other words a woman who identifies as a man.

It is true that women who identify as men will suffer early menopause if they use hormone blockers and cross sex hormones. The symptoms and issues may differ from those of us going through a natural menopause though, I’m not sure.