Mango

[PlatypusRock]

Was just looking for a blouse on Mango, are mango now a place i don't want to shop?

Whilst I can understand your viewpoint @PlatypusRock, I am not comfortable with including clothing to define a "space for women". I accept that is not what you are arguing and that your issue is with the role of the model, but I think it is an inevitable consequence which has the potential to undermine a gender critical stance.

You can accept whatever you want

please Tell me how a man dressing up in womens clothing doesn’t hurt women is sex segregated spaces ?

do you think they dress like this in the male changing rooms?

What proof do you have that the model is a man? Or is it solely based on you think the model has masculine features? Does the retailer state they are using male models for female clothing?

Scrutinizing models features for any signs of masculinity isn't what people should be doing. Are we really judging if someone looks feminine enough to be a woman?

Androgynous looking women have been used for ages to model clothes, both men's and women's. I was told years ago that it's because many fashion designers are/ were gay makes and they like the look. A lot of these runway models don't look like the woman in the street. I've noticed more high street shops like Gap and H&M use models that could be men. But OTOH they also use curvy women, who would never have got a look in a few years ago. So I think it's best to just let them get on with it. They are showing different ethnicities and body types, but at the end of the day it's about how best to flog their clothes.

LosingTheWill2022 · Today 09:18

^PlatypusRock · Today 06:05
The reason I don’t like it (biggest tom
boy ever) is because yet again a man is taking over a space for women.^

Whilst I can understand your viewpoint @PlatypusRock, I am not comfortable with including clothing to define a "space for women". I accept that is not what you are arguing and that your issue is with the role of the model, but I think it is an inevitable consequence which has the potential to undermine a gender critical stance.

IMO you have put that point across well Losing, expressed it in a pleasant and reasonable way.

I personally don’t think many men will ever want to wear dresses though, or not in the same way that women want to wear trousers. The functions of men and women’s clothes are so different.

I don’t believe exchanging clothes will get rid of stereotypes of masculinity and femininity either . If James Bond wore a silk slip it would be to exaggerate masculinity by contrast.

You could iron out all visible outward differences in children and some teens by dressing them the same way but it wouldn’t last.

Masculinity still symbolises strength, freedom, ability to move and act. So Starmer or Sunak wanting to wear a dress. is not going to happen as a ‘GC’ preference. For them to wear a dress and high heels would not make much sense anyway. It is more uncomfortable and restrictive than what they wear.

In my opinion it would make more sense for Liz Truss or Suella say to wear a warm, comfortable, grey, man’s suit. Think what trouble it would save. It is odd that if they did so they would be unpopular. But maybe they, and the public, see looking ‘feminine’ as natural and expected. I believe it may well be part of human nature to express a difference through clothes..

Sex segregated women's spaces must exclude a man regardless of what he is wearing. End of.

Whether or not a man wanting to try on a dress or skirt etc. goes into the men's changing room is not my problem. Whether or not he goes into the women's changing room is every woman's problem. He should not be allowed to.

My view is that increasing the acceptance that men can and do wear dresses increases the confidence to refute the dangerous claim that a man is woman because he is wearing "women's" clothes. People have become scared to refer to a "man in a dress" because of the fear of being accused of hate by 'misgendering'.

People have become scared to refer to a "man in a dress" because of the fear of being accused of hate by 'misgendering.’

yes - I got banned from another forum for calling a drag queen a “man in a dress.”

btw is anyone else getting a certain vibe from the repetitive fixation of these threads? As if trying to persuade women that female models are male is, uh, gratifying? Perhaps “validating” is the correct euphemism in this context. Anyway, I would avoid DMs.

Mango have been using trans models for several years. Not new.

Trans gender models seem to quite common now, though there seem to be fewer trans men than trans women shown here.

www.popsugar.com/fashion/Transgender-Models-41954393