Women arrested in Cardiff for defending same sex spaces?

[KatMcBundleFace]

Seems a woman was arrested for asking a man to leave the women's toilets in Cardiff? Dr Em seems to be involved too?

Doesn't seem to be at FiLiA, but maybe afterwards in the town?

Anyone know what happened?

twitter.com/bradders_2021/status/1584399521588867072?s=20&t=Nj-pWvUa0WYoQJVpFVp8Ig

twitter.com/PankhurstEM/status/1584372350036094977?s=20&t=Nj-pWvUa0WYoQJVpFVp8Ig

Yep police said they had to say sorry

the women won’t say sorry

honest to god what sort of women are they. Not saying sorry to men.

This!

More detail on the background to the arrests from some Irish lesbians in the same pub:
twitter.com/cleancitybird/status/1584537335898591237

Total discrimination against the women in that tweet.

Somebody ask Rishi about this. Get him nailed down on the issue on Day One.

Biased reporting from both SWP and Wales/Cardiff Online...
Cardiff online article

Not once is it mentioned that the 'transphobic abuse' was a woman asking a man to leave the women's toilets. But then I shouldn't be surprised, the Welsh Government and SWP have a reputation for TWAW even if they haven't managed to railroad it into law yet.

This is an interview with the woman who was arrested. I recommend that everyone who's on Twitter share it, to counter the narrative being put forward by South Wales Police:

reduxx.info/exclusive-feminist-arrested-at-bar-after-confronting-male-in-womens-washroom/

Just read about this on the Glinner update emails I get.

What is also disgusting is that the woman was cornered in the bathroom by the female member of staff and also another male member of staff. Complete intimidation.
I cannot believe how we are just supposed to pretend this is not happening. A man strolls into the ladies toilets and there is FUCK all we can do, the handmaidens rally round to intimidate the woman, and then she is ARRESTED for stating a biological fact.
Apparently the police also issued a statement calling her transphobic. What protection is there for women defending their privacy and safety now?
Have we learned NOTHING from cases like Sarah Everard and other female victims?
The police are so keen for us to give away our safety as long as the feelings of some confused or predatory men are validated.
I cannot begin to understand how that woman must have felt, so gaslit, while all around her others, including women, were telling her there was "no male" in the toilet (they actually said this).
This has to be the biggest lie that has ever become mainstream in the history of mankind.

This is so frightening. What the hell are any of us meant to do legally now if we could be arrested for pointing out a male in a female space? Like, no matter what this male is doing? What if he was masturbating? Would we still be the ones asked to leave?

I'm sure the sacred caste would be protected. You would probably get told that you shouldn't have been looking.

It sounds like they think they're nursery school teachers. Since when were the Police allowed to hold people until they apologised? Surely they're either charged or released?

We'd be told we were perverts and genital fetishists for looking.............

There must be legal recourse over this. You can't lock a woman up and demand she apologise. That can't possibly be legal.

There's absolutely no proof of anything that this man said. Cocaine? What a load of bollocks. They must have known he was lying.

I wonder what would happen if every time we encountered a man in the ladies, we told the police that he had assaulted us. And was high as a kite on God knows what.

Would they come and get him and lock him up until he said sorry?

No fucking way did they think the man had been attacked by a coked up woman.

wales is fucked

apologise? what the fuck?

There's a description here of what counts as wrongful arrest:

www.jacksonlees.co.uk/broudiejacksoncanter/services/civil-liberties/actions-against-police/wrongful-arrest

Here's the pertinent bit:
"Police can arrest you anywhere - whether that is your home, workplace or on the street. But for an arrest to be lawful police first must have reasonable grounds to believe you are involved in a crime.

"If you are arrested, Police must always:

"Inform you that they are the police.
Explain that you are under arrest.
Tell you what crime they are arresting you for.
Tell you why it is necessary to arrest you.
Explain to you that you are detained and may not leave."

I'm not convinced the police had reasonable grounds to believe she was involved in a crime. All they had was the word of a much bigger man that this small , 54-year old woman was threatening him. Anyone with half a brain could work out that the likelihood of this being true was tiny.

Terrifying and appalling. Again, I can understand if the women involved want to leave it but the police need to be held to account here.

I agree. I'm sure they didn't think she had punched him and was high on coke. They did think she had called him a man, and in their head that's not quite legal.

But what about the bit where they said if she said sorry?

On what basis was she supposed to apologise, if what the man had accused of was not actually true?

On what authority, or law can police release someone if they apologise?

And if they don't think that what the man said was true, and that's why they released her, why isn't he asked to apologise to her?

And lastly, does anyone, in a month of Sundays believe that the police would incarcerate a man and ask him to apologise to a woman in similar situation?

I mean, it's one thing for these bloody arseholes to use the police as weapons, within the confines of the protocols that they're exploiting, but 'if you say sorry, we'll let you go??'

What is TERRIFYING is that the police are totally under the thumb of these people and will do almost ANYTHING (whether it skirts with boundaries of what is legal or not) to appease them in the moment.

So that a
A) much bigger B) clearly male C) clearly trans D) clearly lying

person is the one give the benefit of the doubt over a small female in a situation that was clearly made up ("she punched me and is on coke").

Apologise? Where about in the law does it state that? Police are literally making it up as they go along and writing the rulebook to suit themselves.

I'm sure they didn't think she had punched him and was high on coke. They did think she had called him a man, and in their head that's not quite legal.

This.

And the apology?

"I'm so sorry for mentioning reality in your presence, I bow to your superior right to make me pretend and enable you."

Where the fuck is any of that in law? It's male supremacism. Its coercive abuse. In a court it would be absolutely unjustifiable. Why are we paying taxes for Stonewall to own and run what used to be the police?

Bar Staff quotedvas saying "So, there wasn’t a male in the toilet, it was a transgender woman."

So the member of staff knows that the subject is a man, otherwise how do they know that the "transgender woman" is the one Kate was objecting to?

This is why extremists can say "people with uteruses" with a straight face - their preferred terminology only "works" because everyone already knows the truth.

I hope Fair Cop are on the case.

They are bloody male, that is the one required, defining feature for a TW

The batshit at this point is beyond parody.

I hope Fair Cop are on the case.

Absolutely!