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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Master and Senior Tutor of Caius College, Cambridge on the subject of free speech

65 replies

ChristinaXYZ · 19/10/2022 20:39

twitter.com/camradfems/status/1582760543496343553

I cannot think of anything better to say than to quote this tweet by Alice Sullivan:

"You cannot just take off your master and senior tutor hats when sending a message to the college. You remain in post. This implies a corporate view on sex and gender from the institution.

This messaging produces a hostile environment for gender critical staff and students."

twitter.com/ProfAliceS/status/1582792566763683840

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BernardBlacksMolluscs · 19/10/2022 20:48

cowards

Igmum · 19/10/2022 21:11

Appalling. 'Pippa and Andrew' have clearly never bothered to read any of her work. I hope they are inundated with letters from donors and alumnae stopping their donations and citing this as their reason. That would reverse their decision pretty quickly

Asdavaluesausage · 19/10/2022 21:45

Are we sure Pippa and Andrew are not the same person a la Pips Bunce?

TheBiologyStupid · 21/10/2022 10:07

Using the college's data for their personal communication seems like a breach of GDPR to me (but I'm definitely not a lawyer).

At least the event is going ahead, just without "Pippa and Andrew". Shame they're not attending, as they might actually learn something.

ControversialOpening · 21/10/2022 10:47

This is a Pontius Pilate move.

Pippa and Andrew know they cannot get away with banning the talk but they are terrified of the TRAs, so they are washing their hands.

They are weak and they don't want anyone to hate them. What they will soon discover is that now EVERYONE will hate them.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/10/2022 11:00

Are they 12? They should be embarrassed at pressing send on that.

TheBiologyStupid · 21/10/2022 11:15

Here's Pippa: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippa_Rogerson

Niminy · 21/10/2022 11:30

They're scared of the students, aren't they?

TheirEminence · 21/10/2022 11:41

So Pippa went to a women's college at the most highly regarded University in the country, worked for a magic circle law firm, acquired a PhD and then became the first female Master of Caius?

Given all the special treatment and privileges an elite woman can get to ease her path to the top - and then she turns around and denounces another woman for having opinions she doesn't like?

It's interesting, isn't it, how second wave feminism is often denounced as 'white feminism', supposedly made by privileged white middle and upper class women for their own kind, when that really seems to be more of a problem in the here and now, with intersectional feminism. I can't count the number of times when I've seen a privileged white woman with a degree from an elite university lash out at another woman, often using women of colour as an argumentative prop.

TheirEminence · 21/10/2022 12:15

I want to know, what is it about elite female education that it seems to erase all compassion for the other members of your sex?

See also: Amia 'Right to Sex' Srinivasan

JellySaurus · 21/10/2022 12:28

Caius should be a place for the highest quality of research to be produced and discussed, rather than polemics.

Are they listening?

IamAporcupine · 21/10/2022 12:28

TheirEminence · 21/10/2022 12:15

I want to know, what is it about elite female education that it seems to erase all compassion for the other members of your sex?

See also: Amia 'Right to Sex' Srinivasan

Reminds me of Alison Phipps too

MangyInseam · 21/10/2022 13:03

TheirEminence · 21/10/2022 11:41

So Pippa went to a women's college at the most highly regarded University in the country, worked for a magic circle law firm, acquired a PhD and then became the first female Master of Caius?

Given all the special treatment and privileges an elite woman can get to ease her path to the top - and then she turns around and denounces another woman for having opinions she doesn't like?

It's interesting, isn't it, how second wave feminism is often denounced as 'white feminism', supposedly made by privileged white middle and upper class women for their own kind, when that really seems to be more of a problem in the here and now, with intersectional feminism. I can't count the number of times when I've seen a privileged white woman with a degree from an elite university lash out at another woman, often using women of colour as an argumentative prop.

Projection.

EdithStourton · 21/10/2022 13:07

Wankers.
No other word.
The whole bloody point of uni is to have your thinking not so much challenged as put through a mincer.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/10/2022 13:56

They are weak and they don't want anyone to hate them. What they will soon discover is that now EVERYONE will hate them.

The only thing which would go any way towards satisfying the TRA mob is cancelling the talk and a grovelling apology together with allowing a trans group to re-educate people. Even then they would still never be trusted. Have some integrity FFS.

EsmaCannonball · 21/10/2022 14:27

That right to sex argument summed it all up: use poor women as human shields to protect rich women from rape. That's the intersectionality they don't want to discuss: the fact that when they talk about sex work and surrogacy it's never women from their group who are going to be providing the outsourced labour. (Not that I at all buy that horrific old argument that prostitution prevents rape. Ugh.)

As for Pippa and Andrew, aren't they a sinister pair? They may as well have taken people aside and said, 'I'm warning you as a friend, not as your boss. But I am watching you.'

JoodyBlue · 21/10/2022 15:48

TheirEminence · 21/10/2022 12:15

I want to know, what is it about elite female education that it seems to erase all compassion for the other members of your sex?

See also: Amia 'Right to Sex' Srinivasan

I think this is interesting and talked with friends who have been in the Oxbridge "system" from age 18 or so. Young women aware of the honour and prestige of a place to study at an elite institution seem, at least historically, to have been made keenly aware of that fact. Very aware of the need to toe the line and as one progressed up the hierarchy to be continually available for work and agility of reponse etc that doesn't sit well with child bearing/raising. Jobs in academe reliant on grant awards and publications and therefore insecure. I think I am saying loss of touch with the real world because so far removed really. I've been an observer of this rather than a participant, but has always seemed to me to be a case of "if you can't beat em join em". The group in question being the elite academics with a certain way of doing things who require line toeing. The worry is that the new cohorts will similarly coerce their direct reports into line toeing with regard to coerced beliefs in the future.

GiantKitten · 21/10/2022 15:49

Pippa has five daughters 🤷🏼‍♀️

JoodyBlue · 21/10/2022 15:52

Acadmic talent appears not to protect the young from incoherent ideas like genderism. Having 5 daughters in the current climate is more likely to sway one towards the cultural zeitgeist than critically away from it.

nauticant · 21/10/2022 16:58

I'm struck by the number of young up-and-coming female academics in STEM subjects who are very much on board with gender identity ideology. My impression is that the more promising their background+trajectory, the stronger the adherence.

I'm aware that I might be subject to selection bias and most are not on board but know to keep their heads down and the only voices I hear are those strongly pushing the ideology.

MrSand · 21/10/2022 17:05

young up-and-coming female academics in STEM subjects who are very much on board with gender identity ideology

I think this is because women who aren't on board with genderist views tend to avoid the whole topic (for obvious reasons), so the distribution of women who express an opinion is very skewed.

TheKeatingFive · 21/10/2022 18:04

Pippa is an immensely privileged female who clearly couldn't give two fucks about the vulnerable women who get screwed over by the ideology.

The victims of rape and domestic violence, the disabled, the orthodox religious, the women prisoners - she has no interest in them whatsoever. That'll never be her. Who cares?

Why take their side when she could be a faithful handmaiden for the woke bros?

JoodyBlue · 21/10/2022 18:26

@nauticant the strongest and most vocal pushback in trying to argue against the poor treatment of JKR has been from proud parents of young women of high academic ability who have "educated" them in the new feminism, including the slating of Germaine Greer. It seems to me to be the wrong way round. Parents might responsibly stand up to explain why a feminist might be grateful and indebted to someone like Greer.

My particular concern though, is for all of those young people who cannot stand up for reality in their universities on pain of complete social annihilation. Adults should stand for their right to speak the truth. Those who don't and in positions of power like these 2 muppets at Caius are really failing the majority of their students in my view.

RealFeminist · 22/10/2022 08:17

ControversialOpening · 21/10/2022 10:47

This is a Pontius Pilate move.

Pippa and Andrew know they cannot get away with banning the talk but they are terrified of the TRAs, so they are washing their hands.

They are weak and they don't want anyone to hate them. What they will soon discover is that now EVERYONE will hate them.

THINK OF SCOTLAND AS THE PILATE FOR SELF ID