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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 3

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WarriorN · 16/10/2022 12:00

A new thread

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Zebracat · 16/10/2022 12:55

Thank you for the new thread.

BoreOfWhabylon · 16/10/2022 12:58

Thanks @WarriorN

picklemewalnuts · 16/10/2022 13:31

Afternoon!
Thanks WarriorN.

AutumnCrow · 16/10/2022 13:34

I'm in. These are the Safeguarding Wars.

ResisterRex · 16/10/2022 16:11

I posted on thread 2, to do with trans and teens:

LGB Alliance analysis will "warn that “young people are being radicalised into online subcultures” and that the online space is the “canary in the coalmine” for wider culture."

In the Telegraph. Accessible here

twitter.com/safeschools_uk/status/1581613917830189061?s=46&t=d4gaMMTAEieoxDOsT8iLfQ

TheClogLady · 16/10/2022 16:18

Reminds me of how Stuart Lorimer used to have a Tumblr account, advertising his Gendercare company:

mobile.twitter.com/bindelj/status/1189480221558431745

lilymaynard.com/gendercare-dr-lorimer-brings-all-the-transboys-to-the-yard/

TheClogLady · 16/10/2022 16:41

More on the early days of social media ads for gender transition here:

4thwavenow.com/2017/01/20/gendercare-london-private-clinic-with-a-winning-business-model/

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 3
Zebracat · 16/10/2022 16:50

How do they sleep at night? Is dr Lorimer still practising?

ArabellaScott · 16/10/2022 17:19

Thanks, Warrior.

TheClogLady · 16/10/2022 18:20

Yes.

He even attended the (heartbreaking) Manchester Detrans event back in 2019, accompanied by Helen Islan (aka MimmyMum) so it’s not as if he’s unaware of the outcome of promoting transition to teenage girls.

He has stopped immediate prescribing at the first appointment (now refers on to one of his associated Gendercare endocrinologists) but there is speculation that that was purely due to professional insurance reasons, rather than a change of mind.

Weirdly, Lorimer was one of the people who reported the doctors Webberly of GenderGP to the GMC.

Almost all the private gender doctors in the UK have (or had) NHS gender clinic day jobs (Webberley is a notable exception, hence, I presume, the reporting to the GMC as ‘not a specialist’)

Lorimer used to work in the London Adult GIC along with Dr James Barrett (colloquially known as ‘Charing Cross’ for historical reasons, currently operated by Tavistock & Portman and previously the West London Mental Health Trust) but now works at the fairly recently founded Welsh Gender Service based in Cardiff (Wales used to send all their trans patients to London).

I expect the transfer was partly to do with opportunities for promotion (as London GIC bossman Dr Barrett has an in-trans-community reputation for being controlling and old fashioned) and partly due to home life (Lorimer’s partner is older and iirc relocated to Wales for retirement).

Gendercare no longer ‘advertise’ via social media, as they already have more patients than they can cope with - waits for appointments are 6-8 months (according to the transgenderUK subreddit) - and as the main reason for going private is off-the-scale wait times for NHS GICs, longer than 6 months wait for private renders them unappealing.

Gendercare is little more than a website advertising a hub of doctors who refer to each other who all sort their own private appointments/waiting lists.

The roster of available doctors changes from time to time and various other businesses with similar models have sprung up since Lorimer’s Tumblr days.

In Lorimer’s defence, Gendercare have never been a paediatric service and show no interest in becoming one. At one time they would see 17 year olds for diagnosis only but I believe with the expectation they were almost 18 and no prescription for hormones made until 18.

Nowadays they’ve tightened that up to only seeing over 18s (although they do seem to allow 17 year olds to make appointments to take place immediately after they turn 18).

There is certainly no indication that any of the Gendercare doctors would prescribe puberty blockers for minors, so that’s something (admittedly, Webberly has sufficiently lowered the bar that Gendercare restricting appointments to over 18s makes them seem positively moral in comparison).

FWIW most NHS paediatric specialisms start the the process of transferring to adult services from 16/17 (little bit of variation dependent on how physically-adult the child is, due to size of equipment etc). Where I am CAMHS discharge at 18 (into a black hole of never ending wait lists, so no one really gets seen unless they present at A&E in crisis).

From what I can pick up online, GIDS has been transferring to adult services from 17, possibly due to long waits between transfer paperwork being done and first adult appointments.

The long waits for transfer has previously left some older teens on blockers without hormones for longer than the NHS compulsory minimum of 12 months, which I guess would be fine if puberty blockers were actually ‘totally harmless and fully reversible’ but (as we on mumsnet well know) there is ever increasing evidence of catastrophic side effects emerging from various European countries, which is a very good reason to not leave older teens on blockers in a black hole between child and adult services.
Of course, what happens when a transferred teen actually arrives at an adult clinic may be a whole host of other issues, but that’s another post, another thread!

I am curious as to whether the Susie Green and Helen Webberly alliance ever conflicted with the Helen Islan and Stuart Lorimer alliance (Islan and Lorimer definitely seemed to be proper matey via my personal observations at the Detrans event)

ResisterRex · 16/10/2022 18:49

Miriam Cates on GB News

twitter.com/calvinrobinson/status/1581681239316402182?s=46&t=SZHDQL3bB3Xu7FxrbPgMLw

Clymene · 16/10/2022 19:20

Finally caught up with these threads. Really something seeing everything collated into one place. I posted this on a different thread but worth repeating here - not only has mermaids deleted their trustee and staff list from their website but all their linked in profiles and other organisation info has also been disappeared.

Looking into their staff, everyone who works on the mermaids helpline (listed as that in their website and Mew isn't while we know he did) is either a trans identifying person under 30 or a woman who has a trans identifying child. Having people who have a vested interest in p children transitioning to operate engagement with vulnerable children is not good safeguarding.

So for example, while Keffals is not remotely connected with mermaids, they are someone who transitioned young and who maintains a website giving children links to buy hormones.

And we all know - as SG has demonstrated - why adults with transitioned children are keen for others to follow the same path.

And finally, just linking back to the Legal Feminist's FOI - Mermaids has a vested interest in more transkids as this screenshot makes clear.

Just like Stonewall, they need a ready source of new recruits

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 3
TheClogLady · 16/10/2022 19:34

I wish I could remember where the GIDS board meeting notes about increased referrals after their own TV show ‘Kids on the Edge’ aired on channel 4!

ResisterRex · 16/10/2022 20:22

Tanya Carter from SSUK on GB News. These are clips so hard to tell but it seems this one would've followed the one of Miriam Cates:

twitter.com/gbnews/status/1581651526308749312?s=46&t=hqa36NVAwH5W2l4t_KH4NA

ResisterRex · 16/10/2022 21:22

Two articles in tomorrow's Sunday Times below. Different topics but so far as I can see, the common thread is algorithms in respect of danger for children. And if SM outsources its moderation, and the focus is on things like extreme violence, "gender affirming surgery" is not going to be filtered out (and that's before you deal with what seems to be the fact this was all coming from/fuelled by unaccountable Big Tech in the first place):

TikTok users evade safety filters to share suicide and self-harm posts

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/12d8dbe0-4d6c-11ed-b120-ca4f3ffbcdc5?shareToken=4f36bce5945a87f0307157fd34b6c965

Blood, beheadings and death: what the social media moderators see

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/2395a9ac-4d6e-11ed-b120-ca4f3ffbcdc5?shareToken=bab804902d5f177232708aeeda225616

WarriorN · 16/10/2022 21:28

Ah sorry I forgot previous links! Thanks @MrsOvertonsWindow, haven't had to continue a thread for a long while.

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WarriorN · 16/10/2022 21:36

ResisterRex online harms/ sm are going to be increasingly big news. It's moving into safeguarding training but the wide variety of examples that could cause harm either directly or in a coercive/ influencing way are not from my experience so far.

We do rely on described scenarios in safeguarding training to support deeper understanding of how events and issues can occur/ be missed.

For example, I know a young man with some mild learning difficulties and autism who was scammed out of £1000 via a Facebook message purportedly for investing in something. Not the type of online harms that the recent inquiry has been looking at but it illustrates how much more vulnerable anyone with mild additional needs / autism can be.

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WarriorN · 16/10/2022 21:38

Unfortunately the impact of sm and online stuff such as porn or furries/ anime being used by abusers to befriend children is not going to be seen as an issue for some time.

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ArabellaScott · 16/10/2022 22:14

speaking of gender surgeons:

Here's one who's fitness to practise has just been found to be impaired:

www.mpts-uk.org/hearings-and-decisions/medical-practitioners-tribunals/dr-christopher-inglefield-oct-22

'The tribunal found that, at a serious incident review meeting on 16 November 2018 with the Phoenix Hospital Group, Dr Inglefield stated that his practice (London Bridge Plastic Surgery and Aesthetic Clinic) had informed the Care Quality Commission (CQC) of a serious clinical incident, which occurred on 7 August 2018. The tribunal found that Dr Inglefield knew that, at the time of the meeting, the CQC had not been informed and that his actions were dishonest.

The tribunal has found Dr Inglefield’s fitness to practise to be impaired by reason of his misconduct. The tribunal will reconvene to consider what sanction, if any, to impose on Dr Inglefield’s registration.'

www.thelondontransgenderclinic.uk/our-transgender-surgery-practice-london/plastic-surgeon/

Newcatbrowntail · 17/10/2022 00:01

I do hope a Guardian reporter or a member of the Labour Party elite reads these threads. They have all the investigations done for them and laid out on a plate for them.

Newcatbrowntail · 17/10/2022 00:04

Looking at a couple of the photos on his website, he’s not very good, you can see who has been born male and decided that some long hair does the trick.

TheClogLady · 17/10/2022 07:38

WarriorN · 16/10/2022 21:38

Unfortunately the impact of sm and online stuff such as porn or furries/ anime being used by abusers to befriend children is not going to be seen as an issue for some time.

I’m really concerned about this - I can’t even seem to formulate a way to warn my mum friends about it without seeming like a weirdo - but paedos are genuinely using games like Roblox to communicate with kids.

😢

AlisonDonut · 17/10/2022 08:06

Ask them to google 'Secret Gamer Girl' and if they would be happy with their kids speaking to him through kids' games online? I'm sure they will all be really enthusiastic about him.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 17/10/2022 08:07

TheClogLady
The police and safeguarding authorities have been clear for years that predators openly use gaming sites / live streaming sites to access children, to watch and engage with them. These are not good people and if they were to approach children on the streets, in playgrounds etc, adults would raise alarms. Online, so many parents are complacent about the risks.

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