Mens loos remain untouched, womens loos made inclusive to everyone

[happydappy2]

First time I’ve seen this in real life! Visited an Arts fair in Battersea Park, held within a building called Evolution London, used to have mens and womens loos, now the womens have been made mixed sex whilst the mens remain just for men. I really don’t understand how anyone can think is a good idea, women need single sex provision for safety….where are women of certain Faiths meant to go?

Not sure what Liberty's is in London (a bar or something). If you are referring to Liberty, the department store, then I was not aware if this and it must have happened in the past few years, because they weren't when I used them, unless this is only the case on certain floors.

Typically I find this sort of nonsense in London, and less so elsewhere. People have even had the nerve to flat out deny that it's happening!

I’ve used men’s toilets in clubs and pubs at different times over the years, as other posters have also done. It’s up to us if we choose to take that risk, surely? I don’t actually think it’s working - some women protesting, I think it’s about time we started demanding that men step up and help us protect our spaces. Maybe showing some of them how uncomfortable it is will make them think about what it’s like for women in 2022.

World's gone mad I'm afraid.

Thing is...we don't need 'men to step up and help us protect our spaces' women have voices, why should it be if a man spoke up for us, more people would listen?...have we gone back to the 1950s! feels like it!

Also if we have to rely on men understanding how uncomfortable it is for women in 2022 to help us keep out protected peeing spaces then god help us!

I went to a London theatre and was running late. I was aware many theatres had gender neutral toilets. I needed the toilet and the nearest was the mens with a small Gender Neutral plaque on the door. The staff said to use it because it was the nearest and performance was due to start. So I did and, apart from the obligatory wipe the seat first🤮, it was fine as it was empty.

After the performance I obliviously walked in past two men using the urinals. When I came out of the cubical I stepped to the sink between two huge blokes washing their hands. I confidently washed my hands and walked out, not missing the mens shocked looks.😂 To this day I’m not sure if the gender neutral meant anyone could use them or just those identifying as men. 😂

I did think about mentioning it was unlawful but in one way I felt it was more invasive to men because of the urinals, in another I thought sod it, why should it always be the women’s toilets that are made gender neutral and maybe it gave the men something to think about.

I would not have been happy if only the women’s had been changed and would have said something.

"Maybe showing some of them how uncomfortable it is will make them think about what it’s like for women in 2022"

Not sure it will make men that uncomfortable; there is no real expectation of privacy for men in public toilets.

As previous posters have said it has always been common for women to use men's toilets in busy venues like pubs and clubs

And some women voted Conservative to protect them from this . Well are the Conservatives protecting women's safe spaces? Are they fuck!

This is on one of the upper floors - off a back staircase (so a bit off the beaten path) definitely pre covid.

Also, although some men may feel uncomfortable if a woman comes in (and I respect that and think both sexes should have their own spaces), it’s not the same thing, because women generally don’t pose a risk to men and the discomfort for women isn’t just awkwardness, it’s knowing there’s a significant risk that any man (but especially one that wants to be in women’s spaces) is a creep who wants to intimate or harass you, and a non-negligible chance he’s a serious sexual predator. Men don’t face anything like the same risk from women and even if a woman was like that, a man has much better chance of overpowering her. That’s why not having a women-only space is so horrible.

LOL you really want to go in and use the Mens? Good luck

Direct and indirect

I took my young DS into the men's at an airport this summer as the queue for the women's was so long.
I thought, well he's male let's do it. Got a few odd looks but no one said anything.

If mixed sex or gender neutral is becoming a thing then I don't mind invading men's spaces until they wake up and realise it doesn't work ( I've had a lifetime of men overstepping the mark with me).

It's not about needing a man to speak up but for everyone to be aware of the problem.

Of course they are aware. I was waiting for someone outside the mens loos in JL when a man walked on with a little girl (maybe 8). I watched an exodus of men coming out and they didn’t look happy.

Point is... sex segregation needs to be made part of law, with the explicit duty on organisations to mitigate against rapey spaces. I have stats from moj 2016-22 and a whole bunch of other stats (globally) and they all say one thing:
SEX SEGREGATION is a MUST.
We are RIGHT to be afraid. I have the real stats in front of me ie 2016-22 MOJ and a bunch of FOIs and I am here to tell you that EVEN with transmen bundled in (most of the ONS figure is not sex disaggregated) it is higher than male.
However, that doesnt actually help for female sex segregated spaces because the test they have to meet is AS LOW (or lower) than the sexual offending of the female population. The other thing I can hear, in responses from me to not over-inflate the statistics is "they havent listened so we have to make it look even worse than it is, in order to get them to listen.
The over-inflated calculations are unhelpful because it can lay those asserting the case for absolute sex segregation open to i) hysterical ii) transphobic and iii) not very good at Maths!
I have all the stats and am preparing a report for desks of every single MP before next election and I could sure use some help.
>Photoshop
>graphic design
> website (I have one but it needs cheering up)
> it also needs ecommerce so when the report is ready I can get it to everyone who wants one to give to people.
I am sure everyone is hard up but just in case you have any to spare I do have a crowdfunder but too busy to do much to promote it. If I dont keep my eye on the stats, it will be so hard to catch it back up.
I have spent over £1,500 from savings and I really can't afford to spend much more but I HAVE the resources to sort this mess out.

If transwomen are women why do we need the women's lavatories to be unisex or gender neutral? Unless transwomen are not women? The illogicality of some of these woke people astounds me.

Has anyone contacted the venue to complain they are discriminating against women?

I was at a gig at a club I hadn't been to before and the two sets of toilets were both for both sexes (not floor to ceiling doors or washbasins in cubicles). I don't often go to gigs so assumed (the mostly younger) people there would be used to it and comfortable. Me and a woman stood waiting, a man came out and panicked and said 'am I in the wrong ones'. Then another younger man came into the queue and after a minute he just loudly said 'is everybody just finding it completely fucking weird standing here with the opposite gender, cos I am', clearly really uncomfortable. Most of the rest of the evening people seemed to sort themselves by sex into the two queues, not surprisingly to anyone. This is a big social change without general consensus or consent within any demographic.

It’s so horrid and uncomfortable. I have been to quite a nice restaurant and toilets at the beach in the South West - both had been made mixed sex.

The beach toilets had been the ladies but made mixed sex and the gents removed - I had to walk past a cubicle with the door open and a man urinating.

The posh restaurant toilets were covered in urine on the seats and floor in the early evening. Grim.