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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Julie Bindel has won against Nottingham Council

83 replies

Birdsweepsin · 07/10/2022 13:01

juliebindel.substack.com/p/i-won-my-case-against-nottingham?r=7w54f&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

...and the Council are going to review their EDI policies!

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RhannionKPSS · 07/10/2022 19:35

It’s wonderful news, well done Julie & thank you

BlackeyedSusan · 07/10/2022 20:31

Blister · 07/10/2022 13:06

"It wasn't a win and even if it was, what did she win?"
In 5,4,3,2...

Arse you nearly had me there...

StillWeRise · 07/10/2022 20:40

well done Julie Bindel

RoseslnTheHospital · 07/10/2022 21:18

Thank you @LangClegsInSpace for the very helpful explanation of the use of "agreed" when it comes to the payments for costs etc I take back my criticism of NCC use of the term.

Redshoeblueshoe · 07/10/2022 21:28

I got the impression from that statement, that next time they just wouldn't accept the booking.
Well done Julie

DismantledKing · 07/10/2022 21:30

Well done Julie! Brilliant news.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/10/2022 21:43

Well, fuck me, it's made the Guardian (on line).

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/oct/07/nottingham-council-apologises-to-julie-bindel-for-unlawfully-cancelling-talk

Caroffee · 07/10/2022 21:43

Yes!!!

I live in Nottingham and the City Council are dreadful. They are bankrupt for a reason. Any win over them is a good one but this particular win is excellent. I remember this incident and it was extremely discriminatory against feminists and women.

Blister · 07/10/2022 21:45

BlackeyedSusan · 07/10/2022 20:31

Arse you nearly had me there...

😝

Pixiedust1234 · 07/10/2022 22:01

Thats not a real apology. Thats a mardy 14yr old I don't want to say sorry but I want to see my mates at the weekend apology Angry

Redshoeblueshoe · 07/10/2022 22:18

Absolutely Pixiedust

FemaleAndLearning · 07/10/2022 22:33

It's a win for commonsense, let's hope it doesn't happen again. Is it me or does this imply the original booking form was not filled in correctly or fully- hence the procedural error?
by way of a fully completed booking form, the Council will make a fresh decision in response to such request upon a lawful basis.'

LangClegsInSpace · 07/10/2022 22:45

The 'procedurally unlawful' thing is weird. Clearly this was discrimination on the grounds of belief.

It's possible for something to be procedurally unlawful, e.g. the difference between unfair dismissal and wrongful dismissal - if you're shit at your job it might be fair to dismiss you but if your employer doesn't follow correct procedure you can still claim wrongful dismissal.

Possibly in this case Nottingham have first accepted that they didn't follow their own procedure, and if they had done so this error would not have been made, and here's a remedy so no point arguing further. And JB has accepted that because here is a remedy. That's fair enough, it would have been very costly for both sides to go to court and judges get pissed off if people escalate to court when a reasonable settlement is already offered.

I think she could have held out for some compensation on top of costs though.

SuperCamp · 07/10/2022 23:09

The 'procedurally unlawful' thing is weird. Clearly this was discrimination on the grounds of belief.

Clearly.

But they carefully fail to apologise for the discrimination.

Compare their ‘apology’ to the usual ‘for hurt caused / for the harm we have done / we will do better’ hair shirted hand wringing that goes on after an accusation of transphobia.

LangClegsInSpace · 07/10/2022 23:34

Yes, the difference is striking. They'd be grovelling hard if the TRA as much as objected to a tweet.

JB was denied service by a public authority.

IcakethereforeIam · 08/10/2022 00:09

And the tras wouldn't have been as gracious as Julie, you can never grovel hard enough.

BrrrGettingColder · 08/10/2022 00:24

Well done Julie Bindel!

TheBiologyStupid · 08/10/2022 01:06

BrrrGettingColder · 08/10/2022 00:24

Well done Julie Bindel!

+1

Caroffee · 08/10/2022 09:28

CountZacular · 07/10/2022 14:12

This is interesting. I’ve NC for this but I work for NCC. We’re currently working on our submission for the Stonewall charter. On the date of this agreement (23/09) a message went up on our intranet ‘encouraging’ pronouns in signature and an email the following week so I wouldn’t take this as a win just yet.

That's a completely different issue to NCC trying to ban free speech in a public place. They are incorrigible though, hence the reason I would never work for them again.

Caroffee · 08/10/2022 09:30

Pixiedust1234 · 07/10/2022 22:01

Thats not a real apology. Thats a mardy 14yr old I don't want to say sorry but I want to see my mates at the weekend apology Angry

That sounds like Nottingham City Council.

Birdsweepsin · 10/10/2022 08:48

Let this be a lesson to all councils...

unherd.com/2022/10/the-toppling-of-the-trans-extremists/

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FemaleAndLearning · 10/10/2022 09:29

Wow! This from the article.
"A few days after the carpark debacle, an email was forwarded to me from Cllr Rosemary Healy in response to a complaint about the cancellation:

“We cannot grant a platform to a public figure who has repeatedly expressed transphobic views. Not only are Ms Bindel’s past statements incredibly hateful to the trans community; she has also demonstrated homophobic and biphobic views in the past that we take issue with.”"

KatMcBundleFace · 10/10/2022 09:50

Healy seems no stranger to controversy.....

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2899444/amp/Twitter-row-councillor-suspended.html

SidewaysOtter · 10/10/2022 12:53

Caroffee · 08/10/2022 09:28

That's a completely different issue to NCC trying to ban free speech in a public place. They are incorrigible though, hence the reason I would never work for them again.

I would say that the two issues are very much linked - how much of NCC's reaction to Julie speaking at a Nottingham library is bound up in wanting to toe the Stonewall line?

Ticking Stonewall's boxes via pronouns in emails or silencing voices deemed "transphobic" seem to be two cheeks of the same arse.