Hate crime report - rise 'may not be genuine' says Home Office

[ArabellaScott]

Thought this merited its own thread.

Sections of the media are reporting 'record' numbers of hate crimes. Of course, misogyny and sexism aren't hate crimes. But anyway:

'The Home Office report on the data admitted: "It is uncertain to what degree the increase in police recorded hate crime is a genuine rise, or due to continued recording improvements and more victims having the confidence to report these crimes to the police."

It cited the crime survey for England and Wales - in which 50,000 people aged 16 and over are questioned about their experience of hate crime - which showed that the estimated number of hate incidents had fallen by 40 per cent in the past decade from 307,000 to 184,000.

David Green, the chief executive of the think tank Civitas, said: "It is due to a change in police activity. They are on the look out for hate crime to demonstrate that they are not racist or misogynist."

The Home Office suggested the rise in transgender hate crime could be the result of trans issues being "heavily discussed on social media".'

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/record-rise-in-hate-crimes-may-not-be-genuine-says-home-office/ar-AA12Fvx9

uk.news.yahoo.com/police-recorded-hate-crimes-rise-093855362.html

The report: www.gov.uk/government/statistics/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022/hate-crime-england-and-wales-2021-to-2022

No Shit Sherlock. Just because you don’t agree with a premise or a person or their beliefs it doesn’t mean you hate them.

I'm automatically suspicious of "hate crime" figures, because (it seems) many police forces aren't even aware of what a hate crime is. And "hate incidents" are a complete nonsense in many cases - police shouldn't even be recording things which aren't crimes imo.

I think publishing these figures without a breakdown of what the crime is and whether the figures are complaints or convictions, just fosters the sense that everyone hates everyone else and the world is shit.

There's such a difference between someone stickering and someone being specifically targeted and then beaten or killed, when both are 'hate crimes'.

Many police forces record “hate incidents” (where there is no crime committed) as “hate crimes” and do without further breakdown (eg what was the “crime”?) these figures cannot be trusted.

How on earth are the police tracking that they're not being 'misogynist' ffs?

I thought misogyny wasn't being tracked, largely since it would then take up all the force's time, they'd get nothing else done due to the huge volume of it, and that the police are themselves fundamentally misogynist.

Exactly. Meaningless box-ticking with no useful result or even purpose. But very helpful to anyone committing real crimes, which the police now don’t have time to investigate.

Bear in mind you can (or could) claim "my neighbour moved my bins where I didn't want them, Land I perceive that this is because he perceives me as Christian" as a non-crime hate incident, and that would be recorded with no verification of whether the bins were moved or whether the neighbour perceives me as any religion whatsoever.

Are these figures including 'non-crime hate incidents'? Because if so, these figures are utterly meaningless.

As we know, a NCHI requires no proof and no evidence, only the say-so of a person (not even the purported victim). I'm still astounded this was brought in, it's utter madness.

I had presumed the figures were for actual 'hate crimes' (i.e. proven crimes with the added aggravator of 'hate').

I can't see anything on the CPS about adding NCHIs in here, am I missing it?

www.cps.gov.uk/crime-info/hate-crime

As I posted on another thread, if you can convince the world that hate & dissent the same thing, then yes, ‘hate’ is on the rise.

Hopefully, actual hate, and actual crimes against people with protected characteristics are not rising, but how can anyone tell when misgendering is supposedly literal violence?

I stumbled across this Reddit comment earlier today, apparently mere omission of pronouns in an otherwise neutral-supportive new article is ‘transphobic’ now.

It’s called ‘degendering’ apparently.

(using ‘they’ for everyone is also ‘degendering’, so even the desperate-trying-not-to-offend people are offensive)

Degendering. Good god.

Some people are agender - get over it!

Somebody literally rolling their eyes can be a hate crime. Its now meaningless.

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