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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No Terfs, no JK Rowling

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IcakethereforeIam · 06/10/2022 22:48

The Arts Council again. This was posted on the Mr Menno thread but seemed a bit overlooked, so credit to whoever initially found and posted.

A show called 'Groove', which has just finished in London, is now in Manchester and may slither off somewhere else.

There is a long tweet thread about it, describing the background and what happened when Mr Menno went to see it.

twitter.com/GayGenderPirate/status/1577406516172271617?s=20&t=3F_oQVJ5qrylbL7t4Xjz-Q

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ZeldaFighter · 06/10/2022 23:26

To my mind, Karen is also a misogynistic, anti-woman slur. Further backs up what Mr Menno was pointing out. A term only ever levelled at women, with the ultimate aim of getting them to shut up.

It's why I'm not on Twitter - I can't shut up irl!

Ramblingnamechanger · 07/10/2022 00:19

Good to see this gay man standing up for us. I love his videos.

WolverineBlueyy · 07/10/2022 10:10

Thanks Icake, I put it on the other Menno thread as was too shy to start a new one Grin. Just found myself so upset about this.

Theatre is (was) a passion of mine, I live in a place which has (had) excellent LGBT arts festivals. Artists had something to say and the representation genuinely mattered. As someone not of the community the work wasn't made for me, I understood that - but there was much to learn from it and enjoy, and I never felt like I shouldn't be there.

Now with the insidious creep of pronouns and aggressive 'queerness', this kind of theatre believes it is creating a 'safe space' that is actually quite the opposite. (What happened with the Globe, and that awful poem they Tweeted the other day as well?)

This line about Karens, JKR and Tories was obviously supposed to elicit great cheers but just sounds like something out of Lord of the Flies. It took guts for Menno to not just leave quietly, but protest and ask for a refund.

Yes the trans community need a space to tell their stories like any other, as do young people, and I'm an old fart this play would no longer appeal to anyway - but something about this incident, aggressive and unpleasant as it was, makes me deeply uncomfortable and this kind of thinking seems to be taking over theatre as a whole.

FrancescaContini · 07/10/2022 10:17

This “show” sounds abysmal for all the reasons listed above. Was it written by a group of angry teenagers who have been fully brainwashed by the TQ-plus bollocks?

The information provided by Mr Menno is really thought provoking - thank you. What a great man.

CousinKrispy · 07/10/2022 10:20

bUt hE puT on BlaCkfAce!?1!!*!

Just getting that inaccuracy in before the usual commenters do.

IcakethereforeIam · 07/10/2022 10:29

@WolverineBlueyy thank you for posting it in the first place. I'm pissed off at the Arts Council for giving money to discriminatory stuff like this. I don't know if, after feedback, they changed it for Manchester. Couldn't see anything on the Contact Theatre's site, except, for a tiny theatre, it has delusions of grandeur.

I'm gonna go look for a review.

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IcakethereforeIam · 07/10/2022 11:06

There's a link to a review on the contact theatre's twitter. It seems quite fun. I love the bone structure and arch expression of the older guy who's on the publicity shot. No mention in the review of 'terfs', perhaps they removed it? Outbox seem to be a well regarded company, in so much as they seem to have won awards. But £18 for a show barely an hour long seems excessive. Fair play to the company for not padding it, but if what they had to say couldn't sustain a longer show, they either didn't put the work in or there was nothing much to say in the first place.

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turbonerd · 07/10/2022 12:30

So, trying to Get my head around this.
if you are queer you may not be a Tory, a Terf a Karen or homosexual?

How can they say it is not political if they explicitly exclude anyone who votes Conservative?

Well done to Mr Menno to high-light this.

Georgeskitchen · 07/10/2022 12:47

Mr Menno for Prime Minister!!!

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