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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Mermaids being investigated by the Charity Commission - thread 2

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ResisterRex · 06/10/2022 05:55

The first thread, towards the end of which there was a discussion about having a second thread but it wasn't added:

Mermaids being investigated by the charity commission
http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4644323-mermaids-being-investigated-by-the-charity-commissionn_

There's been a new development so maybe a second thread would be useful:

Lottery pauses trans charity cash during investigation

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c959a286-44e4-11ed-8885-043c27446b97?shareToken=6d482edb1a386656502f33453da5c230

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YouSirNeighMmmm · 06/10/2022 12:58

BewaretheIckabog · 06/10/2022 07:51

I’d like to know how JB became a trustee. Did he approach them or was he invited by them? If it’s the latter who suggested him and why did they think him suitable?

So many questions but not holding my breath for answers.

The massive elephant in the room is that in order to want to get to be a mermaids trustee then you need to be neck deep (should that be balls deep, sorry?) in queer theory, and to be neck deep in queer theory is to explicitly reject child safeguarding as a desirable let alone necessary thing.

Wanting to be a mermaids trustee should be enough to preclude you from the job. Getting the job of a mermaids trustee should be enough to ensure you are sacked for unsuitability.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 06/10/2022 13:00

Datun · 06/10/2022 08:01

If he's on 'sabbatical' because of this issue then yes the LSE didn't get it either.

Or perhaps they're fine with a paedophile apologist teaching their students about 'gender and sexuality'.

I would bet good money that there is not a single member of that department who hasn't written something that would mean you would never leave them alone with your kids. And even if there are some to whom this does not apply then how can they think their field of "research" is valid given the dangerous nonsense their colleagues speak?

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 13:04

Questions need to be asked, Datun, absolutely.

If sex is immutable and dichotomous (it is both), and gender is a vague, indefinable smorgasboard of culturally dependent stereotypes, then why the ever loving fuck is gender seen as being the 'true' thing and sex as the thing that can and should be changed?

Bluntly, biological sex is real. Gender is made-up.

So why is anyone encouraged to think that sex should be changed to suit gender?

MrsOvertonsWindow · 06/10/2022 13:07

The Times, Mail & Telegraph have been doing some excellent work in exposing what's happening. Yet continually hampered by the restrictions imposed by the trans organisations, (press for change, trans media watch and the rest). These policies are designed to hide behaviour currently being exposed - just as the nobbling of the DBS system is designed to allow trans sex offenders to hide previous offences and recorded data. The press are forced to lie about the numerous male born trans sex offenders being women.
I hate feeling like a conspiracy theorist - but given the sheer weight of data and evidence that's emerging (despite the deliberate obfuscation of it by the self interested) it's evident that this ideology is being infiltrated by predators and this isn't being challenged.

TheBiologyStupid · 06/10/2022 13:11

swordfishspoons · 06/10/2022 11:27

This is what someone who understands safeguarding looks like.

Great post.

Most women get it on here and as everyone knows we're just silly mummies with hours to spend online - so if we can get it I really don't see how Mermaids with the amount of money they have and all their celebrity and other (e.g. lottery) endorsements have any excuse at all.

They MUST be held to account for their safeguarding failures.

Agreed!

Datun · 06/10/2022 13:13

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 13:04

Questions need to be asked, Datun, absolutely.

If sex is immutable and dichotomous (it is both), and gender is a vague, indefinable smorgasboard of culturally dependent stereotypes, then why the ever loving fuck is gender seen as being the 'true' thing and sex as the thing that can and should be changed?

Bluntly, biological sex is real. Gender is made-up.

So why is anyone encouraged to think that sex should be changed to suit gender?

Yes, and I'd like them to bloody describe what they mean by masculine and feminine.

What does it mean? List it. Give me the actual bloody words. What example of masculinity would make a girl feel she wasn't a girl?

Short hair? Not wanting to go down the mall on a Saturday afternoon? Playing football? Fancying girls? Preferring the company of boys?

Let's establish what they are basing their charity on. And then we can find out why they think it should be treated with drugs.

Datun · 06/10/2022 13:18

Datun · 06/10/2022 13:13

Yes, and I'd like them to bloody describe what they mean by masculine and feminine.

What does it mean? List it. Give me the actual bloody words. What example of masculinity would make a girl feel she wasn't a girl?

Short hair? Not wanting to go down the mall on a Saturday afternoon? Playing football? Fancying girls? Preferring the company of boys?

Let's establish what they are basing their charity on. And then we can find out why they think it should be treated with drugs.

I know I'm quoting myself. But the reason I want these questions asked isn't to catch anyone out. I want the world to see the sexism.

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 13:23

Yes, quite.

Whenever we see these questions answered its illuminating.

YouSirNeighMmmm · 06/10/2022 13:25

ArabellaScott · 06/10/2022 09:53

Jacob Breslow is a symptom, not the underlying cause.

The underlying cause is genderism and gender ideology.

We need to be asking questions about the movement itself, what its aims are, how it's developed over the past thirty odd years, what the consequences are of enshrining 'gender' in law and policy.

Is it though? Or is the underlying cause queer theory, and trans-insanity is simply queer theory's current trojan horse for detroying all boundaries between adults and children, not least sexual ones, and for promoting kinks, fetishes and paraphilias as suitable for celebration by all the family.

I posted elsewhere (the old mermaids thread) how Pink News had two articles about 5 years apart - one slating an anti-gay activist for claiming that he LGBTQ+ community would start pushing to normalize incest using Game of Thrones incest plotlines as an "in"... and 5 years later Pink News trying to normalize incest using Game of Thrones incest plotlines as an "in".

This isn't even about trans kids, it is about sexual fetishes and destroying families

YouSirNeighMmmm · 06/10/2022 13:33

Anactor · 06/10/2022 10:35

Good Lord. Did it not occur to them that the world renowned institution is primarily working with over-18s - while their charity works primarily with under 18s? And that the safeguarding requirements would be completely different?

A clean bill of health for working with young adult students is not the same thing at all as a clean bill of health for working with vulnerable teens and pre-teens.

But also, obviously, EVERYONE has to take responsibility for their own job. No doctor vharge with medicl negligence can expect to get away with it by saying "I asked my mate who is also a doctor and he said "send her home" so the fact she had a heart attack 10 minutes later is really not something I can be held accountable for". A negligent surveyor can't say "I know I said the cracks were nothing to worry about and it's since fallen down, but my mate knows loads about houses and he told me it would be fine".

TheBiologyStupid · 06/10/2022 13:45

sashh · 06/10/2022 06:16

I've not been on the other thread but the Lottery have suspended their funding for Mermaids.

Sorry if I am repeating something you all knew.

Glinner giving credit where it's due: grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/got-there-in-the-end

heathspeedwell · 06/10/2022 14:13

That tattoo underlines everything that's been said about hiding in plain sight.

The image is just on the edge of plausible deniability. But coupled with what Breslow has written about children's sexual desires and how he thinks men who rape children shouldn't be imprisoned, it's quite disturbing.

BewaretheIckabog · 06/10/2022 14:20

Mermaids has closed their web hats and phone lines due to ‘intolerable abuse’.

BewaretheIckabog · 06/10/2022 14:21

Chats not hats!

RedToothBrush · 06/10/2022 14:34

YouSirNeighMmmm · 06/10/2022 13:25

Is it though? Or is the underlying cause queer theory, and trans-insanity is simply queer theory's current trojan horse for detroying all boundaries between adults and children, not least sexual ones, and for promoting kinks, fetishes and paraphilias as suitable for celebration by all the family.

I posted elsewhere (the old mermaids thread) how Pink News had two articles about 5 years apart - one slating an anti-gay activist for claiming that he LGBTQ+ community would start pushing to normalize incest using Game of Thrones incest plotlines as an "in"... and 5 years later Pink News trying to normalize incest using Game of Thrones incest plotlines as an "in".

This isn't even about trans kids, it is about sexual fetishes and destroying families

IF there was a group of males who are trans, because they are AGP, there was always going to be a significant problem. IF identifying as trans is over representated in male sex offenders, there was always going to be a significant problem.

There have been substantive efforts to crush and silence any sort of questioning along these lines. To the point that, even now, I am trying to be careful on how I word this.

Yet the greater the evidence base, the more there looks like there might be a legitimate problem that needs to be spoken about, due to the possible implications if either or both hold out to be true. Hence the resistance to allow any research to be conducted.

From the word go, there has been an issue with treating trans identifying people as one singular group, despite there being significant evidence that there were particular clusters of presentation, that do present areas of concern that should be more greatly examined.

Its been known for a significant amount of time that the pattern lent towards middle age men transitioning and teenage girls transitioning. And patterns with gay and lesbians, autism and those with a history of trauma being significantly over represented.

This DOES NOT mean that all trans people are sexually deviant. Thats precisely part of my point - the treatment that all those who identify as trans are part of a singular group. It DOES mean you have a significant number of very vulnerable individuals being lumped in rather carelessly and thoughtlessly with a group of individuals with a trait which poses a significant potential risk to them.

This is the elephant in the room we can not avoid. The one thats the concerning one. The one we are made to shy away from most. Because 'it tars the innocent with the wrong brush which might lead to discrimination and hate directed towards them' narrative. A narrative which is most heavily pushed by the likes of Mermaids and Stonewall. A narrative that can't stand if the evidence continues to go in the same direction.

We have several groups of significant vulnerability though. There is a correlation/comordibity that even evidence that Stonewall and Mermaids have conducted has emphasised. Yet there aren't efforts to add extra layers of safeguarding to reflect this. Its just 'full steam ahead' on transitioning socially and medically as quickly as possible.

The force teaming is the very thing that CREATES a risk to the vulnerable that Mermaids and Stonewall claim to be advocating for and protecting. This is the crushing of safeguarding protocols which are viewed as 'obstructive and harmful'. This is the agenda they are promoting. It is the basis of Mermaids stated aims.

Not only must any concerns about overally sexualised behaviour be erased/surpressed, but so must any inclination towards the idea that trauma based trans identifying, autistic led inability to understand gender non-conformity and homophobic led transition mustn't be talked about too. Cos of the mantra about 'affirmation only'.

Its a combition which is utterly toxic and highly questionable on many levels. Add 'Acceptance without exception' and you've got a cauldron where things CAN only go wrong.

Once again we have concerns about reputational damage to priviledged and powerful adults first rather than safeguarding and putting concerns about the mixing of groups which never the twain should meet.

ALL these problems will continue to keep coming back to this underlying conflict of interests. They will never go away if you keep putting kids identifying as trans in the same box as males in middle age who have transitioned. They don't have they the same issues and problems and risks despite the constant attempts to frame things as if they do.

The agenda of whats best for children and vulnerable young people just isn't the same as late transitioning males. Thats your bottom line. Its not going away. And it needs to be spoken about.

Birdsweepsin · 06/10/2022 14:38

It strikes me that they could start to fix things by appointing, say, JK Rowling to their board of trustees

WinterTrees · 06/10/2022 14:38

Intolerable abuse = concerned people asking questions?

Excellent, thorough and chillingly insightful post RTB

waterwitch · 06/10/2022 14:41

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly Your post highlighting a particularly interesting part of the Jo Bartosch article seems to have been removed. Probably worth a good look at that piece linked upthread for anyone who has time

YouSirNeighMmmm · 06/10/2022 14:46

WinterTrees · 06/10/2022 14:38

Intolerable abuse = concerned people asking questions?

Excellent, thorough and chillingly insightful post RTB

@RedToothBrush Yep - great post RTB

BewaretheIckabog · 06/10/2022 14:49

Intolerable abuse or fear of people taking screenshots and reporting things that may not stand up to scrutiny?

SenseFromThoughtDivide · 06/10/2022 14:52

Birdsweepsin · 06/10/2022 14:38

It strikes me that they could start to fix things by appointing, say, JK Rowling to their board of trustees

I was drinking a cup of tea when I read this. Suggestions please on how t9 clean a keyboard. Can you imagine the screams of outrage

TheBiologyStupid · 06/10/2022 15:19

WinterTrees · 06/10/2022 14:38

Intolerable abuse = concerned people asking questions?

Excellent, thorough and chillingly insightful post RTB

+1

TastefulRainbowUnicorn · 06/10/2022 15:19

On this occasion we also placed weight on the fact his employer is a globally renowned institution that would have carried out its own checks."

Wow, they’re always so petulant and unprofessional. And it’s not just Mermaids. Stonewall have form for this childishness in a big way… does anyone else remember them briefing MPs to yawn loudly at their opponents in women’s rights debates? (I think it was yawning they suggested, it might have been something even more stupid.) And obviously there’s the behaviour exhibited by these organisations in court cases and on social media.

Theres something about being a TRA that makes people act like graceless petulant children in professional settings. In a lot of cases it’s partly down to youth, but that doesn’t explain Susie Green or Joanne Harris or the TRA lawyer that shows up here on the regular.

Maybe it’s just the type of personality that gets drawn to this movement?

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 06/10/2022 15:26

waterwitch · 06/10/2022 14:41

@BernardBlacksWineIcelolly Your post highlighting a particularly interesting part of the Jo Bartosch article seems to have been removed. Probably worth a good look at that piece linked upthread for anyone who has time

I wondered how long it would last

the very idea is so nightmarish that people don’t want to think about it

RoyalCorgi · 06/10/2022 15:29

"On this occasion we also placed weight on the fact his employer is a globally renowned institution that would have carried out its own checks."

Anyone else think they made things worse for themselves by this statement? Paedophiles and abusers can work anywhere. The Catholic Church is a globally renowned institution that just happened to house thousands of child sex abusers.

Mermaids, on top of all their other faults, are clearly quite clueless.

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