Prisoners abuse self id. Who'd have thought it?

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In news that will shock literally no one on the feminism boards, half the trans prisoners in Scottish jails felt their inner sense of self was female AFTER being convicted.

Numbers in the study are are low, as it covers just Scotland and I'm assuming doesn't include anyone with a GRC. It still is rather illuminating though. It's almost as if perpetrators of certain types of crimes are taking advantage of the system......

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3cef0ad0-442a-11ed-abc9-d0d53e948d21?shareToken=9eb3928d1a3ee3198488f2ccf31f1f19

Who’d have thunk it!

Are we just doing a tick box excercise in things that were never going to happen and posters here were regularly abused over the years for saying it already was? Everyday there's another thread proving we are right but there's no glory in it, too many women, children and vulnerable people damaged along the way.

Wonder how many will become men again on release?

Wonder how many will become men again on release?

There was a Scottish prison study done early this year or late last year that found that yes, some of these transitioned male did miraculously become male on release.

<bangs head slowly against the desk>

"It’s one thing protecting the rights of transgender prisoners but quite another to be facilitating what’s a fraud and extremely harmful."

Buy what is the difference? No one can change sex so why is it more harmful when someone does so simply for an easier sentence than when someone has done so earlier for a paraphilia?

yes I've written to my mps asking them to ask questions about the keeping of records about these women who mysteriously become men on release... silence

thats msps

Bloody hell what is wrong with people that as long it’s to do with sex/“gender” they’ll roll over and accept any old bullshit? If you told convicts they could self-ID as disabled, or under 18, or whatever to get special treatment or a nicer life or access to victims, and everyone would have to believe them and kowtow to them, who in their right mind wouldn’t see that that would be abused!? They are criminals FFS! (though that’s not to say non-criminals don’t also abuse self-Id, of course.)

i cannot get my head around having to show/prove that self-ID is open to abuse to try to stop governments and institutions from going along with it. 30 seconds thinking would suffice.

Basically as far as I can tell the politicians condone any amount of harm and abuse of vulnerable women and children by self_iding male criminals in prison in order to gain a rainbow merit badge and not get hassled by the lobby charities.

It's not as if this wasn't entirely predictable and predicted many times. Now we have evidence and utter resounding silence.

I'm waiting for women to be screamed at as bigots for believing bears shit in the woods next. Then we'll provide evidence and they'll ignore it because they knew this obvious fact all along.

We really need at this point for a few non TQ+ male prisoners to press their right to be placed in a female prison and have access to female prisoners.

If it's an entitlement for some males without GRCs but not others, that's discrimination. It also would drag out into the sunlight whether females as a group are a resource that there is a 'right' of some male people to have access to. And meeting their 'rights' involves providing said females.

Yes absolutely.

Self ID is discrimination against the sex class of men (all the other men are being treated differently). If women's prisons are now essentially mixed sex they should be open to all men.

Apart from anything else, it'll probably make it safer for the babies in prison at least because the general male prison population is against paedophilia.

At the moment we basically have the situation where women's prisons are mixed sex but in practice only for the men who are most motivated to harm women and children, not all men.

This is not a healthy situation.

Self ID is open to abuse?

In other news, it's raining here. I'm going outside to see if it's wet.

We really need at this point for a few non TQ+ male prisoners to press their right to be placed in a female prison

That's exactly what has been happening, by the sound of it.

Well, yes, but we need a large number of obviously and clearly men to just obviously and clearly game the system.

It's possible it'll be safer for the women and babies in the once female now mixed sex prisons if they have a large group of criminals other than sexual criminals in with them. Because at the moment it seems to be predominantly the sexual criminals (of course) doing it for their own benefit - you can see this in the stats on type of offender. Which is probably less safe than if there were other male criminals in there keeping an eye on the nonces.

Exactly, and where are all those who insisted we were on the wrong side of history? I usually enjoy saying 'I told you so' but there's zero pleasure in this, so many lives damaged because no one would listen.

Sharing the despair of everyone on here who's been pointing this out for years.

I'm waiting for women to be screamed at as bigots for believing bears shit in the woods next

Not that type of bear
Not those trees
Not that sort of shit …

Did anyone notice this bit:

"response to the freedom of information request, the prison service said it was unable to disclose if there were current allegations of sexual misconduct involving trans women prisoners due to the cost that would be involved in providing details. Such complaints would be reported to police, it said."

"The service also declined to disclose how many complaints female prisoners had made against trans prisoners since its transgender prisoner policy was introduced in 2014, again for cost reasons."

Cost reasons can only mean they don't have those figures to hand so have to go through loads of records to find them. In other words nobody is monitoring the impact on female prisoners.

Largely because it's data that would turn out to be really fucking inconvenient and they know it.

Nobody bothered to consider the impact on women prisoners before the policy was introduced, so the lack of records now is hardly surprising as it would show up the total disregard for female prisoners' safety.

One might even suspect that the lack of record keeping was by design. In the same way a certain Trustee was hidden from view by a certain charity.

One might then assume that actually, the impact on women was more than apparent. They just didn't care.

One to file under the 'No shit, Sherlock' folder.

So if 6 out of 16 Scottish trans prisoners are sex offenders, but one trans prisoner is a trans identified female (and I'm presuming isn't in prison for sex offending) then that means 40% of trans women in Scottish prisons are sex offenders. Shocking because in the UK's male estate 18% of offenders are in for sex crimes.

Also - the transman that's in the male estate!? Jeezo hope the obvious terrible thing doesn't happen there.