Police say binding = child abuse

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www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/breast-ironing-flattening/

Says it all really. Maybe just me, but this is the first time I have seen it called for what it is - and came across it on Sky News story re Mermaids. Does this signal endgame.

Where is that poster from? Another dodgy af group? The assumption that they will inevitably have a double mastectomy is horrific. The age range and group name. It’s so desperate, where are the voices helping these distressed kids come to terms with the bodies they have rather than reinforcing their distress. It really is evil, and I don’t use that word lightly.

How many companies make binders now compared to 20 years ago?

It comes down to this fundamental element of the whole thing: no one on the gender ideology side is remotely concerned as to WHY there are so many more girls these days wanting to bind. Why are so many girls seeking this out? Even if binding wasn’t harmful - and to be clear, it is - the lack of concern from gender ideologists about the fact thousands of girls across the western world looking into binding shows at best a lack of intellectual curiosity and at worst, a gleeful declaration at the acquisition of more members into its ideology.

It’s sickening to me. Gender ideologists defend binding, facilitate binding, don’t care that so many more girls are binding, and don’t show any inclination to help girls stop binding apart from telling them mastectomy is the answer. They say they care about “trans” kids? Then why not help them not damage themselves? It’s like they want these girls to bind, to demonstrate the validity of the whole narrative.

The reaction to this story says it all. It’s a truly evil ideology.

I'd love to know why believers in gender ID are ok with the disparity between middle aged transwomen keeping their cocks and balls, and young transboys setting out on a path (blockers and binders) that leads to mastectomy, loss of ability to orgasm and hysterectomy (due to the effects of cross sex hormone) before they've had a chance to experience and understand their own sexuality?

"In most cases, the abuser incorrectly thinks they're behaving in the best interests of the child. "

It has been asked of them. Both generally and specifically here on this forum. Robin Moira White has been asked this specifically here, as someone who pines for a life that hadn’t involved puberty but has fathered children. Robin generally avoids answering questions. As do they all when asked this.

I think what needs to be asked more specifically is why doctors pay any of these people any attention when it comes to providing care for children. The wistful longings for a life that can never be by middle-aged adult males who have experienced all the benefits of puberty should in no way contribute to children’s healthcare decisions, especially teenage girls whose psychopathology causing their presentation is world’s apart from these adult males, putting it mildly.

If a child dislikes their body so much they want to bind or in other ways alter their body, rather than provide them with the tools to alter their body I’d rather provide psychological and social support.

shouldn't the primary goal be to help children accept and be ok with the body they have. If I’m the future, as an adult, they want to take other action they can do so.

Absolutely. But this is what TRAs class as conversion therapy and want to outlaw.

Did you read the link in the OP? It specifically refers to binding, in the second sentence, so go take it up with the met maybe instead of telling all the silly mummies they should be ashamed for comparing exactly what is described with exactly what is describe.

I think the silly mummies have also seen how FGM and campaigners for it are treated by this particular political lobby, who have zero interest in protecting girls or supporting safeguarding campaigns for them but every interest in stopping the campaigners and removing the phrase FGM from the world so it can't help protect girls, because FGM inconveniently fucks about with the concept that female is related to a biological fixed fact .

So at this point those of us who care about children and safeguarding are really ever so slightly cynical.

Most sensible thing I've read on MN for ages

I listened to the JV show interview with Maya Forstater today and
I thought of my own dd when I heard the mother caller on the Jeremy Vine show about how it was her dd's choice to take Puberty blockers ......
As a mother of a teen also with ASD (Hf) I'm very conscious of her capability to make informed decisions, she can be quite naive about things compared to her siblings, for example she gave her no. to a 23 year old man who was just a friend of a friend. As a 16 year I give her independence but also want to protect her and her ND psychologist conceded that my dd does still need extra direction.
I think a lot of parents are made to feel guilty for not giving their children enough freedom to make their own choices. I work in a primary school & I'm surprised how much freedom children are giving to make their own big decisions. However big decision making can lead to bad consequences, it's heartbreaking. :-(

@duvet I 100% agree. I think, sorry this is a bit harsh, but many adults some of them parents have not adulted or grown up themselves in relation to children. Letting children make huge big decisions, which relinquishes our own responsibility as the adults, we have to have that burden of making good choices on the whole for our kids. That is what parenting is.

We give our kids the framework to understand right from wrong, fairness, equity, integrity. But integrity is being able to step in and also protect our kids from harm. I also have an incredibly vulnerable, disability, very suggestible and easily led. The Report into the Tavistock Clinic highlighted how many children were vulnerable like this, autistic, looked after children made up a big make up. These kids are unfortunately much more likely to be abused because of their vulnerability.

Incredibly vulnerable child… not disability oops…

It is child abuse on girls. Female girl children.

Boy children don't generally get targeted for breast removal.

Are the police really going to give a fuck about abuse and damage to women and girls?

When they could be out there fighting the scourge of society that is women placing stickers and ribbon

Yes, of course it’s abuse.

Jesus, it’s actually not “just an undergarment”.

@WalkthisWayUK indeed!! I'm glad you understood what I was trying to say, you have phrased it far more succinctly, thank you!