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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

CS People Survey

11 replies

Passionandprofessionalism · 30/09/2022 08:36

There’s a question on sex - male/female. Great.

There’s also a question on gender identity. Fine, except it’s “Does your gender identity match your sex?” And possible answers are yes/no/prefer not to say. If no, there’s a box where you can specify.

This is great for inclusion of all the many gender identifies that people may hold.

But what do I say if I don’t accept the premise of the question because I have no gender identity?

WIBU to tick no and to use the box to explain

  1. I don’t have a gender identity
  2. The phrasing of this question (a) excludes people with a protected characteristic and (b) is likely to distort survey results
  3. The CS needs to absorb lessons from the Forstater and Bailey cases as a matter of urgency if they (a) don’t want similar cases at their door and (b) want to be able to serve the public with objectivity, as per the civil service code?

Or would they just think all that was just another new gender identity and add me to the stats for trans colleagues?

Any other CSs slightly disappointed with this question? Again.

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MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 30/09/2022 08:50

I ticked no and said that I didn't have a gender identity, and that I didn't believe in the concept. I was pleased there were two questions though, and it wasn't just all rolled up into "gender"

Passionandprofessionalism · 30/09/2022 09:23

Thanks Visions. Good to hear I’m not the only one. And you’re right, it’s good that there is a sex box.

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teawamutu · 30/09/2022 14:40

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 30/09/2022 08:50

I ticked no and said that I didn't have a gender identity, and that I didn't believe in the concept. I was pleased there were two questions though, and it wasn't just all rolled up into "gender"

Same.

Imicola · 30/09/2022 14:52

I haven't completed it yet, but will

Blackandwhitehorse · 30/09/2022 14:54

Ah I went prefer not to say as I didn’t want to give them any data. Was pleased they used sex registered at birth at least

Imicola · 30/09/2022 14:54

Fail... likely select no, and then state that i don't believe in gender ideology and hence do not identify with a gender.

I also think the way these questions are worded makes the data inaccurate, which then falls foul of gpdr... as the data that is held needs to be accurate to the best of their ability.

Kumri · 30/09/2022 14:55

If you tick no, you’re adding yourself to someone’s statistic of ‘how many non cis people are in the CS’ and people who lobby for greater trans power or whatever may use that statistic to support their lobbying “eg 20% of CS is trans”

I would tick yes.

Puddycatfan · 30/09/2022 15:39

I pretty much said the same as MyVisions

HumourReplacementTherapy · 30/09/2022 16:01

But if you tick no then you are giving the impression your GI is different to the sex you were born as?

CentaureaCyanus · 30/09/2022 16:08

The same two questions appeared in the NHS staff survey I completed this week. I didn't respond to the gender identity one. I don't care that they ask but there should be an option for non-believers in the same way as there is for the religion question.

OhLordyWhatNow · 30/09/2022 17:08

I put prefer no to say.

Because I do prefer not to say as I'm not a 'believer' in the ideology.

I'm applying for a department internal development scheme and the Disability and Equality monitoring form doesn't mention sex at all. Just asks for Your Gender, with drop down options:

Man
Woman
Prefer to self describe
Prefer not to disclose

Also has Sexual Orientation with drop down options:
Heterosexual or Straight
Gay or Lesbian
Bisexual
Prefer to self describe
Prefer not to disclose

The self describee has a free text box to use. It seems a little voyeuristic to me.

I've answered Prefer not to disclose to both. If they can't be bothered to ask the relevant questions correctly about the actual protected characteristics then I'm not providing any data that can skew the statistics.

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