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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NEWS ARTICLE: Daily Mail 29/09/2022 - Jenni Murray Comment Peice on Kier Starmer & Labour

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BrokenFridgeDrawer · 29/09/2022 08:40

JENNI MURRAY: Sir Keir is betraying the women Labour once fought for as we find ourselves harassed, insulted and called 'transphobes'
By JENNI MURRAY FOR THE DAILY MAIL
PUBLISHED: 22:02, 28 September 2022 | UPDATED: 22:02, 28 September 2022

Fine words were spoken by the Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, at this week's conference in Liverpool. 'We must build a new Britain, together,' he said, no doubt hoping to appeal to swing voters uneasy with the Conservatives' handling of the economy.

But to me that 'together' mantra sounds rather hollow. A large number of British people — those of us who with unquestionable accuracy call ourselves women — worry deeply about the protection of our sex-based rights.

We find ourselves harassed, insulted and called 'transphobes' by the trans lobby
and simply cannot trust politicians to hear our concerns and protect us from being silenced and forgotten.

Feminists such as me are utterly bewildered by Labour. Looking back, it has achieved so much for women — equal pay and laws against sex discrimination that made us feel we were no longer second-class citizens.

Now we learn that women who continue to fight for our own sex have not been welcomed to the party conference.

Two groups — Labour Women's Declaration (LWD), an organisation that lobbies for women's sex-based rights and single-sex spaces, and FiLiA, a women-led group which last year organised the biggest feminist conference in Europe in decades — asked for permission to exhibit at the Labour conference this week.

They were denied a position. Commercial reasons were cited. Groups have to pay for space for their stands. Both LWD and FiLiA said they would pay and could afford the price. Still, they were denied.

Taking a stand at the conference is important. Labour's website says that 'exhibiting at our conference is a unique opportunity to increase awareness of your aims and objectives to a wider audience and reach influential groups of people'.

All very well, apparently, if your campaign is focused on climate change or animal rights. But you're clearly not so welcome if your aim is to champion women.

So why might the two feminist groups I've mentioned have been so unwelcome?
Last year, I travelled to speak at the big FiLiA conference held in Portsmouth, Hampshire. Women from all over the world were there to support each other in discussions about domestic violence, rape, murder and inequality, and exchange ideas about what might be done to make the world safer for so many who suffer.

Inside the hall we all felt safe. Not so outside. One of the now familiar groups of masked 'trans allies' was there. They intimidated us and demanded the crudest of sexual favours, making it plain that they may be dressed as women, but their body parts were defiantly male. Was the Labour leader afraid that such frightening, misogynistic lobbyists might gather in Liverpool?

Come on, Sir Keir. These issues are serious. And those who raise concerns about trans rights policies and their impact on women's rights are not marginal — and they certainly aren't all Tories. Many of them are Labour supporters, such as Joan Smith, the author and former adviser on violence against women and girls to the Mayor of London. She says Sir Keir hasn't replied to letters and emails describing abuse faced by her and other women.

Increasingly, women's fears about their own safety and that of their children are shown to be justified.

Mermaids, a charity set up to support transgender children, now faces watchdog scrutiny after it was revealed that it offered chest binders to children as young as 14 behind their parents' backs.

Binding the chest of young teenagers has been described by Dr Hilary Cass, employed to review services for trans children, as 'painful and potentially harmful'.

Yesterday, the Metropolitan Police said it was potential child abuse and, along with social services, it will investigate individual reported cases of children using chest binders.

Meanwhile, the fashion store Primark is reviewing its approach to unisex fitting rooms after the shopper Charlotte Kirby, 25, was left in tears after two men entered her changing room while she was trying on outfits at the weekend. Security guards at the Cambridge store told her it wasn't the first time it had happened.

And earlier this week, the new Home Secretary Suella Braverman condemned Sussex Police for playing woke politics, after it said it would not tolerate 'hateful comments' about the gender identity of a convicted paedophile who identified as a woman. Sally Ann Dixon abused five girls and two boys aged between six and 15 from 1989 to 1996.

At the time of the assaults, Sally Ann was John Stephen Dixon, who transitioned in 2004. How were those offences committed by 'a woman'?

From your own mouth, Sir Keir, we have heard the much-disputed trans mantra: 'Trans women are women.' Not for gender-critical feminists they aren't.

No one wants trans women or trans men to be hurt or derided, but the correct phrase, based on biological science, is: 'Trans women are trans women'.

It was bizarre to hear a highly intelligent former director of public prosecutions say he believed it was wrong to say 'only women have a cervix'. What are we women to think when the Leader of the Opposition appears not to know what a woman is?

So many women I know who have consistently voted Labour for years, like Joan, tell me they now feel disenfranchised. They say they can't vote for a leader who can't answer the simple question: 'What is a woman?'

Now is not the time to alienate women crying out for recognition of their sex.

www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11259659/JENNI-MURRAY-Sir-Keir-betraying-women-Labour-fought-for.html

OP posts:
Sausagenbacon · 29/09/2022 08:49

hurrah. This is Labour's Achilles Heel, and they really need to deal with it

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2022 08:49

Wow, fantastic piece, go Jenni

shufflestep · 29/09/2022 08:50

A fantastic piece of journalism, well done Jenni.

SuperCamp · 29/09/2022 08:55

2 days ago, so serious is the situation with the Tories in power, I got a long way along the process of joining the Labour Party. But this stops me.

It isn’t expensive to be a member. Is our next move to join in huge numbers and influence policy from within?

We really need Labour to come to their senses about this.

CucumberCool · 29/09/2022 09:17

The woman speaks sense.

No one wants trans women or trans men to be hurt or derided, but the correct phrase, based on biological science, is: 'Trans women are trans women'.

This. With bells on.

It's the answer to this whole mess, surely?!
Trans people exist. That's ok. In fact, I think it's a good thing. But they have their own special set of needs and need their own set of special places.

Passports, birth certificates, medical records, data recording, all needs to have two boxes: Sex & Gender. Of they are different, you are trans. Queue special pathway for your needs.
If not, fine.

midgetastic · 29/09/2022 09:20

So given the things the Labour Party has already said on this subject - how do we suggest they back down : change their minds without appearing how do a u turn which no one likes to do ?

sosolongago · 29/09/2022 09:26

Excellent article from Jenni Murray there, who let's not forget was cancelled from her long-standing presenter role at Woman's Hour on BBC Radio 4 because she spoke about biological sex in the same way that 99% of sensible people do. She queried TWAW...how come? She was and is a 'national treasure' in my view.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 29/09/2022 09:32

Speaking truth to (wanna be) power

will he listen?

Skyellaskerry · 29/09/2022 09:41

Great article. In my opinion, Labour is going to have a shock if they choose to continue on their current path. They seem to be behaving as if if they ignore and block, the subject will go away. When all that will happen is the Tories will make this a big issue the closer we get to a general election and the more ridiculous labour will sound.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/09/2022 09:46

Excellent article. My vote counts for nothing as I live in a rock solid Labour constituency. PR might make a difference there. If I lived in a marginal constituency I would be facing a huge dilemma. I will never vote Tory but I don't trust Labour any more. If they can't take an evidence-based approach to this, informed by science, how can we be sure they can do the right thing for health care, environment, planning, anything?

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2022 09:52

how do we suggest they back down : change their minds without appearing how do a u turn which no one likes to do ?

Thats really for them to figure out. They walked themselves right into this mess, it's not for anyone else to tell them how to dig themselves out.

They have access to hundreds of very clever advisors who should be pondering this right now.

what we can do is keep holding their feet to the flames. Email our MPs and make it clear this issue isn't going to go away.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 29/09/2022 09:52

I voted Tory in the last GE, and I still agonise about it

but my view was abstaining was an abdication of responsibility

I don’t want no government, which means it’s my job to make a choice

and at the moment, even in the light of the current shit show, my choice would be the Tories

Ramblingnamechanger · 29/09/2022 09:57

Loved “taking a stand at the conference is important”
well done Jenny. Leaving Woman’s Hour was a good move.

midgetastic · 29/09/2022 10:04

@TheKeatingFive but if we want to change things sometimes we need to work , make helpful suggestions to push them the right way not just huff

ArabellaScott · 29/09/2022 10:10

Fucking briliant work, Jeni Murray. Thank you.

<standing ovation>

YetAnotherSpartacus · 29/09/2022 10:27

Fantastic!

Eyesofdisarray · 29/09/2022 10:33

A great article thanks for posting OP

TheKeatingFive · 29/09/2022 10:49

but if we want to change things sometimes we need to work , make helpful suggestions to push them the right way not just huff

I do get that and would often be a huge advocate for it.

But here, I struggle, because I can't personally fathom how they got there. Therefore I doubt I'd be any help to them in how they could find their way back. It's been such a whole scale lapse in sense and reasoning, I cant get my head around it.

Nuffaluff · 29/09/2022 10:53

It isn’t expensive to be a member. Is our next move to join in huge numbers and influence policy from within?

Yes, I think so. I’ve joined today.

pattihews · 29/09/2022 11:31

SuperCamp · 29/09/2022 08:55

2 days ago, so serious is the situation with the Tories in power, I got a long way along the process of joining the Labour Party. But this stops me.

It isn’t expensive to be a member. Is our next move to join in huge numbers and influence policy from within?

We really need Labour to come to their senses about this.

I was a member of the Labour Party for years. I left in protest when Starmer announced that those who didn't support gender ideology would be expelled.
I moved, and I joined again a couple of years ago because I have an excellent Labour MP who needs support and protection from the woke bros who try to deselect her every time she expresses a vaguely feminist opinion. I waited and waited for information about meetings and nothing happened. I've heard this from everyone I've ever known join the LP. They don't want you to be actively involved. They make it as difficult as possible for new members to have any influence. You have to barge through those doors with an attitude and make yourself known to be noticed by CLPs.

A friend who joined the Lib Dems after the 2015 election was so swamped by calls from her local candidate and agent and local party members, all inviting her to coffee and meetings and wanting to get her involved that it really put her off. Not sure anyone I know is a member of the Conservative party: not sure how they respond. But don't imagine that Labour really want to hear your voice: they don't.

Sausagenbacon · 29/09/2022 12:17

my DH is membership secretary for the local Labour Party, and he works very hard to get people involved. One of the problems with GC issues is that there is a clique of TRA members who attend any meeting where this is likely to come up and never appear at anything else. Like rent-a-mob basically.

Mollyollydolly · 29/09/2022 12:51

I was a member. I think the TRA problem in Labour is similar to the anti semitism one, they just haven't confronted it yet. After this week I could never vote tory, it's a dilemma. And I don't have the answer, just hope Starmer gets braver now he seems to be consolidating his position as leader.

ScrollingLeaves · 29/09/2022 13:13

Mollyollydolly · Today 12:51
I was a member. I think the TRA problem in Labour is similar to the anti semitism one, they just haven't confronted it yet. After this week I could never vote tory, it's a dilemma. And I don't have the answer, just hope Starmer gets braver now he seems to be consolidating his position as leader

I think the problem is that they see anything GC as transphobic, and being transphobic as similar to being anti-Semitic or racist - something to be rooted out.

They would also see the GC position as being aligned with the far-right.

So the reverse of what you suggest seems to happen. They officially dig in. They won’t ever confront what they see as their ethical stance on this subject. They don’t seem to bother to find out more so as to be better informed either.

pattihews · 29/09/2022 14:42

Sausagenbacon · 29/09/2022 12:17

my DH is membership secretary for the local Labour Party, and he works very hard to get people involved. One of the problems with GC issues is that there is a clique of TRA members who attend any meeting where this is likely to come up and never appear at anything else. Like rent-a-mob basically.

I'm really pleased your CLP is different and your husband does such a good job. I've clearly been unlucky in the four constituencies I've lived in over the years. It took nearly a year for me to receive any confirmation of membership this time. I actually had to go track down an active member of the CLP and practically bribe them to take me to a meeting before I could get a foot in the door. I think there's a small group who police things and are nervous of newcomers with an agenda. I do agree about the cadre of young white men (mainly) and women who mysteriously turn up every time gender and women's issues are on the agenda. They huff and puff and throw their weight around and we don't see them till next time. As you say, rent-a-mob.

FigRollsAlly · 29/09/2022 16:31

Great article. If things carry on as they are there could be a general election in much less than two years followed by a Labour government. That makes it really urgent that as much pressure as possible is put on Labour to at least allow airtime to GC views within the party. Once those views are allowed and aired it would make it more of a fight to bring in self ID and show that being GC is not right wing nastiness. But the party is terrified of disunity so it doesn’t want any sort of “toxic” debate.

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