Graham Norton, JKR- Sunday Times

[MrsMorton]

There are three letters, usually they would represent "both sides". It's standard practice to do that and the majority of the other topics do that today. Not this one though. All stanning for JKR.

Once this stuff gets out of its echo chamber, it's indefensible. Keep pulling.

The letters

Very satisfying to read. More sunlight…..

Good to see.

Superb. And GN has lost all credibility.

I wonder where he'd be without the exposure he got on Father Ted?

Great to see and an indication of how much the extreme anti-women views of the trans lobby are now being challenged.

This was not what I was expecting when I opened this thread! Happy days 😊

Oh God he was so annoying on Ted.
Much more annoying now he's thinking he is getting to lord it over JKR of course.
It won't age well as an interview.

Ditto 😀

Yes we'll it seems GN scored an own goal and shone sunlight on his bigoted views. That's what it's been about all along, the erasing of women via a trojan horse, by the time people realised a lot of damage has been done.

Evan Davis from BBC R4 PM News programme is another one who spouts the SW line. He is clever with it though, he interviewed a scientist about the trans issue a few months ago. Can't remember who it was but the guy outlined the biological differences between & women. Evan Davis exclaimed it was a radical view for most people. Err no, it's basic biology and scientific fact, but the BBC have a gaslighting agenda.

Another example was during a BBC R4 panel show & the presenter said that gender was a protected characteristic. No it isn't; gender reassignment is a protected characteristic under law as is sex. Gender on its own isn't and it's very clever how the BBC will slip misinformation so casually into a conversation.

Graham Norton needs to know his views are problematic, I hope he reads these! I'm fed up of gay men not having any understanding that women are treated how they are because of their sex. Where's their empathy? Ability to listen, or observe? White gay men seem to be the main proponents of trans rights, Graham Norton, Owen J, Dr Harrop, Dr Christian Jessen, Tom Daley, MP Lloyd Russell Moyle, etc etc. The stereotype of gay men being an ally and friend for women couldn't be further from the truth!

If gender was a protected characteristic, then ergo so would 'cis' gender and those who do not have a gender identity.

It would be fairly pointless for anyone claiming to be a woman under that PC to demand access to womens spaces because a counterclaim could be made by anyone GC that they are not in fact a woman at all under the same PC? Surely?

A blessing and a curse......

@rabbitwoman I love you!!
I've a course to do at work (nhs) and they're constantly shoehorning this in, so am going to frame it like this if brought up today!

How bloody ironic is it that the NHS, which deals with scientific facts, has fallen for this nonsense. The mind boggles.

Ahhh, well, I am not a lawyer, maybe it needs to be tested first before relied upon!

but I often scratch my head when someone says gender identity is a protected characteristic..... Maybe when I have a second I will start a thread on it because if it would give GCs equal protection maybe we should be campaigning for it? A kind of Trojan Horse of our own, a la Denton's?!

Anyway, don't want to derail the thread.

Oh it's a baby pink and baby blue rainbow of delight badge and lanyard wearing joy.

Keep getting asked why not wearing mine, I wear one my dc decorated for me fabric pens so just say that!

GN had quite a long segment for book flogging purposes on BBC Radio 4 Today program this morning. At 2hr 48min approx GN is asked about JKR by BBC culture editor. He replies basically "drat! you have linked me with her again" (this time she is feulling the fire apparently) obviously without thinking it through. GN and the interviewer linked "transphobe" to JKR at least three times, but that's ok... But carries on being slightly? conciliatory I suppose. Then ending with "isn't it just rotten that some people think for them to win, someone else has to lose" (paraphrased). I despair.

I wonder if GN wanted that to be asked to counter the Times letters? Made it look all spontaneous but I think a lot of those interviews have pre-vetted questions, or places the questions can't go. If so it didn't work for me.

I heard that. It sounded to me like he just wanted to distance himself from the whole debate and seemed to be saying that if only people would be nice to each other then we could come to some nice, cosy agreement on these issues. Not convincing in the least.

Yes, it would all be sunlit uplands if not for those pesky wimmins