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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Social Work England leaves Stonewall Diversity Champions

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ImNotAnExpert · 13/09/2022 19:26

www.communitycare.co.uk/2022/09/13/social-work-england-swaps-stonewall-lgbt-foundation/

'Social Work England has left a Stonewall scheme designed to increase inclusion for LGBTQ+ staff in favour of an alternative training programme.

The regulator said it was joining charity the LGBT Foundation’s training academy, on the grounds that it was a better fit for delivering its equality, diversity and inclusion action plan, published in February, than Stonewall’s diversity champions scheme.'

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'Despite its growth, a number of high-profile public bodies have left diversity champions over the past 18 months, including the BBC, the Equality and Human Rights Commission, the Department for Education and Department of Health and Social Care.

Though these organisations have made limited comment on their reasons for leaving, the departures have been linked in media reports to Stonewall’s stance in the public debate around gender identity and sex. Its view, that trans people should always be able to self-determine their gender and access services and recognition on that basis, is opposed by those who hold the gender-critical belief that this would, in certain circumstances, undermine women’s sex-based rights, for example, access to single-sex spaces.

Social Work England said leaving diversity champions was a business decision, not linked to these issues.'

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ImNotAnExpert · 14/09/2022 07:54

Pixiedust1234 · 14/09/2022 02:36

Yeah, once I would have been jumping for joy, now I'm thinking...why are they leaving, whats the angle? So tired of questioning every little thing.

Also OP. Was that a typo when you wrote "left a stonewall scheme" instead of the . How many schemes do they have?

There's more'n one, I think. Diversity Champions, but there's also the workplace equality index.

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Findwen · 14/09/2022 08:18

I'm delighted to see how inclusive the replacement scheme is, including people who feel they are women some of the time.

I feel like a women for as much as a full day every 20-30 years, it's so refreshing for a national group to cater to my needs, not yours.

TheClogLady · 14/09/2022 08:22

Whereas there are plenty of us boring old cunty females hall have never felt particularly ‘womanly’ at all.

What a stupid definition.

IloveHolby · 14/09/2022 09:10

i feel very much like a woman atm - peri menopause symptoms have been dragging on for 6 years. Doubt this has anything in common with men who say they ‘feel like a woman inside’ though 😡

Ramblingnamechanger · 14/09/2022 09:21

Good news in theory but as others have said, it will be more of the same , judging by the nonsense spouted at yesterday’s hearing. I am sorry to see profession I was part of go down this route.

MagpiePi · 14/09/2022 09:31

Thanks @fannycan.
I am so tired of this shit where scarce NHS resources are being used to pander to this nonsense.

TheClogLady · 14/09/2022 09:54

I suppose the good news is that it should be relatively easy to whack each mole if it’s easy to demonstrate that the new mole is just as batshit and non legally compliant as the previous mole?

As in, lots of the legwork has already been done, so it’s just a matter of saying ‘look, this lot think a woman is anyone who feels a bit lady-ish, same as SW - but the EQ10 clearly says that a woman is ‘a female of any age’ for the purposes of the law this company/org/public service is obliged to comply to.

Agree that top level legislation needs to happen - perhaps some sort of government monitored accreditation for these little ‘diversity’ orgs that means they can’t provide training /advice unless the training has been vetted as in line with actual law (not stonewall law).

I’m not a great fan of extra admin but you can’t have people going into schools and hospitals and town halls with such blatant agendas that have little resemblance to the actual equalities legislation that is the reason behind commissioning external trainers!

bellinisurge · 14/09/2022 10:30

It is cool to see them out bidding each other. Wasn't one of Mermaids arguments against LGBA that it would take money off them.
I imagine that bunch of snail oil salesman don't mind if it's other snake oil salesman doing the grift.
Hope they bankrupt each other.

ImNotAnExpert · 14/09/2022 11:19

I suppose the good news is that it should be relatively easy to whack each mole if it’s easy to demonstrate that the new mole is just as batshit and non legally compliant as the previous mole?

As in, lots of the legwork has already been done, so it’s just a matter of saying ‘look, this lot think a woman is anyone who feels a bit lady-ish, same as SW - but the EQ10 clearly says that a woman is ‘a female of any age’ for the purposes of the law this company/org/public service is obliged to comply to.

Let's hope so. I am hoping that there will be an inquiry, or several inquiries, into how exactly unevidenced, partisan and potentially damaging ideologies have managed to capture so many areas of public law and life. NHS, the Police, Education, the legal system ... all of them need to tear apart their safeguarding and whistle blowing policies and pretty much start again.

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IloveHolby · 14/09/2022 14:02

Let's hope so. I am hoping that there will be an inquiry, or several inquiries, into how exactly unevidenced, partisan and potentially damaging ideologies have managed to capture so many areas of public law and life. NHS, the Police, Education, the legal system

Abso-bloody-lutely - so how do we go about that? Start a parliament petition?

blahblahblahspoons · 14/09/2022 22:00

Paul Roberts who is CEO of LGBT consortium spent most of his evidence in the case of Mermaids vs LGB Alliance and Charity Commissioner stating he was 'not an expert' about anything. Even things that you'd think the CEO of an LGBT organisation might need to have a tiny bit of expertise on.

He is so much 'not an expert' about apparently anything that I do wonder why his organisation would be paid to deliver training or diversity schemes at all. Why on earth would any company spend money on people who are self declared 'non experts' ? Even worse if it's taxpayers money.

Pixiedust1234 · 15/09/2022 10:46

So if there are several different stonewall schemes it doesn't really matter if they say they have left one. They could still be in another two. Still with stonewall.

Smoke and mirrors. How depressing.

(But thank you for posting, op).

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