No Queen for a generation of more

[mids2019]

As we welcome our new King does anyone feel there is an issue in that for most of our lives we will not recognise a new Queen?

In my life I have felt the Queen offered the country and world a woman as one of the most memorable heads of state. We now are looking at least three successive Kings and memory of a female head of state becoming increasingly remote history.

How should the Royal Family face this prospect without looking patriarchal with successive Queen's subjugated their husband Kings?

@Brefugee
That was a response to another poster trying to make a point that republics are new, shiny things of the modern era while monarchies are bad, old, anachronisms from deepest darkest history.

“i had read the thread and did not get the impression (or words) from anyone that said any such thing.”

Ok, then I’ll quote where I got my impression from…The poster wrote:

”I'd rather lose the monarchy and have an elected president thanks.…The whole thing is anachronistic and backwards.”

”Having an inherited monarch as head of state is anachronistic. It is no longer suited to the era in which we live.”

neither of which comments mean (unless you are thinking in an extremely binary way) that a republic is new and shiny.

It was implied by the pp.

Christ are you still picking at my post? Blimey. You've managed to read a whole novel into my short comment. It's quite a talent.

Your comments have more words than my “novel”…..besides, I’m actually being picked on for picking on your comment. Which is ok. Appears you have a guard goose on the loose.

I was watching the Crown and what struck me was that Prince Philip ultimately was deferential in their relationship to the Queen as head is state (though they both had robust opinions)

I think it is the fact that Camilla and future Queens will by the very nature of the monarchy defer to their husbands ( pledge allegiance, promise to serve etc) that sits uneasily with me.

A rich, white, elderly, upper class male with a wife always a couple of steps behind does not to my mind project progressive values (granted being born to be monarch is a genetic lottery)

PP yes that was one of the many pluses of a female monarch, but I think we will see a lot of Queen Consort Camilla and then Queen Kate. Hopefully George will have a female heir unless the whole monarchy thing goes tits up by then.

Personally I wouldn't be in favour of a republic, but then I'm #notanexpert.

I think a lot will be seen of the Queens but always in a support capacity i.e. not for instance consulting prime ministers or opening parliament. If the Queens going forward had redefined constitutional roles that may help but I am afraid for the rest of my lifetime it's going to be the King's speech at Christmas.

I think having a woman on the throne during a period where gender equality generally though slowly improved acted somehow as a state sanction for the equality of women in some strange sense. We now have Kings virtually as infinitum and does seem a reversion to a more patriarchal society.

And of course, no racial equality. We won’t see a woman of colour as Head of Sate, ever. Unless we become a republic

If George marries a woman of colour then their firstborn would become Queen if she's a girl.

A rich, white, elderly, upper class male with a wife always a couple of steps behind

To be fair, Camilla is also rich, white, elderly and upper class.

I don't think many people especially the current generation are bothered anymore.

And does either Camilla or Kate walk behind their husbands?

You have no way of knowing that. It depends on who George, or if something were to happen to him, Charlotte, marries.

@TheLassWiADelicateAir

I guess it depends on the social circles George mixes with. There does seem to be a subset of society the Royals interact with but possibly this may widen in the future?

Personally I felt Meghan Markle's experience (or purported experience) was a little uncomfortable.

We have a very diverse cabinet at the moment but I don't think we will see a diverse monarchy at least in my lifetime

www.google.com/amp/s/www.popsugar.co.uk/celebrity/Why-Do-People-Have-Walk-Behind-Queen-46304025/amp

There is archaic tradition about Royal walkabouts. The point being is that Camilla will be viewed as supportive to her husband rather than being a leader herself.

Did Philip walk behind the Queen?

Posting in here as it’s the only Royal
related thread on my ‘home’ board.

I was raised as a republican (small r!) by my grandfather who was a posthumous WW1 baby and then himself became WW2 a conscript. My great aunt married a GI who was an Asian American (her side of the family were really confused because a ‘chinaman’ in rural 1930s Britain was more or less a mythical character).

My grandfather fought in the Africa and Burma theatres of war, so his comrades were multi ethnic, as were his enemies.
He came back from the war with a firm belief in class solidarity, having seen that the sons of farmers were canon fodder in every land without exception and race had little to do with it.

Under this backdrop little me grew up understanding that deferring to her ‘betters’ wouldn’t do shit to save her, so why bother? I was the only Brownie in the pack who never sang the national anthem.

I give this background only to illustrate that I am not naturally sympathetic to the Royals.

Nonetheless, today I am struck by the thought that all this pomp, this gathering of world leaders at relative moments notice, this deference from
people who are the ruling class in their own countries, has been for a woman.
A woman who was assumed incapable in the early years, a woman who had to prove herself, who was a working mother, a woman who, despite immense wealth still never really ‘had it all’ nor was able to ever really please herself (despite no personal understanding of the money worries that keep many of her countrywomen awake at night).

Who knows what her working/home life split would’ve been if she’d truly had a free choice about it?

I’m glad primogeniture has been changed, and that our lack of future queens-in-their-own-right is now down to accident of birth rather than actual, obvious patriarchy. I’m still conflicted re: the monarchy but I’m not sure electing a president would be any better for this country, or for women.

if only intersectionality hadn’t been hijacker by dickheads and we might’ve been able to have a proper public discussion about all this.

as is, it’s nice to see some toxic male world leaders get pushed out of the limelight by a dead little old lady in a box.

yes, I have had a cheeky day drink but if anyone else is feeling similarly conflicted I’d love to hear your stories.

I'm fairly ambivalent about the monarchy. But I liked having a woman is Head of State.

I really really don't want to be in a country that has a King. I just don't.

Apologies if this has been mentioned already, but there is now currently only one female monarch- Margrethe of Denmark.

I think there was a particular media interest in the interactions between the Queen and that particular PM, because for the first time in British history, 2 female heads of state/government were in charge of the country. The media loved to imply an animus and power struggle borne out of their being female, rather than their differences in political opinion. Plus their class differences, Thatcher being the "upstart" grocer's daughter and all, having more power than the woman ordained by God. I'm a miner's daughter and had no love of Thatcher, but looking back, realise how she needed to be x100 better/smarter than any man doing the same job (as proven by the shit fest that followed on from her). I feel a sadness at the passing of Queen Elizabeth II that I never thought I had in me. What a life.

I thought that was only Camilla because of a specific agreement, and that Kate will be a straightforward Queen Katherine?

Since 1837 up until 2022, a woman has been on the throne for 133 years out of 185 years. Not bad at all.

Prince Philip was a Prince before he married Elizabeth.

Speaking of the partner walking one step behind. It works both ways. If Prince Phillip hadn't had to defer to the Queen, how different her reign would have been.