Do you know any TRAs in real life?

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That aren’t kids or students?

I was out last night with a group of gay men, in a pub (one is the manager) that is festooned with pride flags.

We got on to the subject, as you do, and every single one of my friends said the same; men have cocks, women have vaginas and they wouldn’t go within ten feet of a naked vagina even if the owner said they were a man.

I have to say I was a bit surprised as I assumed they were all fully paid up wokesters based on the flag flying and Pride attendance. Nope. Turns out they all think the trans thing is a fringe belief and they enjoy Pride while ignoring it.

I’m surrounded by woke teenagers at home and some at work that tell me I’m out of touch and the entire gay movement is in step with ‘trans rights’ ie twaw. But my not very scientific sample of gay men aged 24-55 would say otherwise. All my lesbian friends are terfy anyway but this did give me pause/hope.

Someone I know has completely socially transitioned their 5 year boy. It’s heartbreaking actually because they are good people with good intentions. I know nothing I say is likely to be well received so I just quietly hope and pray that it will gradually stop. Sadly I can’t see them much any more as I have an autistic child and a gender non conforming child (basically what used to be a normal child!). They are totally confident in their sex and know that gender stereotypes are silly, and I can’t risk them being confused or accidentally ‘rude’ to this trans child.

My brother (alongside skateboarding and football) also played with dolls, dressed in girls clothes and got covered in make up by my friends on a regular basis . He is a happily married straight (fashion conscious!) man. I can’t imagine how much damage is being done by transitioning these perfectly ordinary kids. Feminism was meant to trample on these silly stereotypes.

No. None at all as far as I’m aware.
Know a few gay guys from work and it’s never been mentioned - why would it ? Not exactly something you bring up with colleagues.
Most of my other other colleagues are as far as I know straight married women. Not politically minded whatsoever. None have expressed any views on it. I’ve brought it up with one friend who’s a bit more politically engaged and she was pretty much live and let live. I don’t think it’s on most people’s radar, most are more concerned with the cost of living crisis or love island when it’s on.

Fwiw in 30 years of nursing I’ve never cared for a single trans person. My ex partner worked with a colleague who fully transitioned to ‘female’, wasn’t particularly bothered but shocked that it just came out of the blue…

Yes I do and he's a university lecturer in a social science subject which is really frightening. He hates JK Rowling with a passion.

A close relative, not activist perhaps but strongly worded sweary Twitter posts about stupid right wing bigots, and retweeting Katie Montgomery. I’d always really respected their take on things, and don’t understand how they can not get it at all, not even a little bit, not any of the issues at all. I am pretty sad about it. I wonder if it’s to do with so much about America being soooo polarised, you’re 1000% in or you’re wholly evil.

I know one from work. A trans man. We don’t have to spend much time together. TBH, when we first met, I think my first impression was ‘effeminate bloke, maybe gay?’.

After a heated discussion in the break room at work about child transition, I guessed that there was more to it, and my manager told me (I assume to avoid further ‘discussions’) that D was trans.

Interestingly, in that discussion, my manager was supportive of D’s views that all people should be able to easily transition if they choose. Since then, her views have changed significantly. I don’t think I can take all the credit (and she now knows a lot about D’s medical issues arising from surgery and hormones that impact work) but she broadly agrees with me that:

• children should not be allowed to transition
• gender stereotypes are stupid
• adults can do whatever they want to their own but bodies but
• male bodies should stay the hell out of women’s sports

Not sure where she stands on toilets now. Work is unisex so not an issue she has had to address.

Yeah but mainly at work. Not in my friend/family group.

I know many trans people, they are at different stages of their journey. None are radical, none cause a fuss. They just want to get on with living the life that they feel is right. You wouldn't guess that some of them were trans either. One of the people I know lives near me and they are treated very respectfully by all, they use the disabled (unisex) loo at the pub. One is Dp's relative, I didn't realise until I was told. The rest are friends of my kids (young adults)

Yes, but the question is: do you know any TRAs? Not: do you know any trans people. I assume most trans people are not TRAs.

I don’t know anyone who’s after joining the Black Pampers; but do know various women roughly of an age with me (so in their thirties) through to their fifties who are resolutely TWAW/TMAM; believe “TERFs”/“GCs” are funded by (& ideologically aligned with) American right-wing Christo-Fascists; think puberty-blockers [& cross-sex hormones] are “life-saving [healthcare]” (etc etc etc). Almost all have a[t least one] close relative who is trans; mostly a younger relative; some just work in notoriously “captured” professions (mostly academia).

I do know someone online who is very noisy about trans rights & has attended pro-DQSH protests amongst other “activism”. They identify as non-binary but cannot, of course, articulate a clear meaning for this; & when others have questioned their entirely gender-stereotypical appearance the answer is that apparently gender presentation has nothing to do with gender identity. They also self-ID as autistic; as having [direct] connections to (almost) anything in the news/that’s trending on Twitter; & not being multiply privileged. They seem to have confused a tiny minority of the UK population receiving a private education with said people being a minority group in the sense of one that is (or has historically been) oppressed etc. I didn’t realise what they were like when we first “met” & they’ve got worse over the years - I think it’s become harder to question people courtesy of everything suddenly being “valid”; so people who habitually lie are in their absolute element, even if it means telling truly awful lies. Lying about the circumstances of their sibling’s death (& their own health) throughout one of the big cases over withdrawal of life-supporting care from a child, for example, to tie themselves to it (& presumably make their volume of tweets seem normal).

So those that went to private school are a minority oppressed group?! How do you keep a straight face! Assume they are very young.

A few. One a serious mermaid mum who desperately wants to get her teenage daughter puberty blockers (certainly autistic) and rants about men in woman's sport now. Fully wants her daughter on drugs and surgery. Let her see if she grows out of it FFS.

Someone I thought was intelligent, who has a non-binary daughter and has started using cis to describe people. Sad because her daughter is going into a male dominated career and should celebrate herself being a woman. Daughter is autistic.

my friends sons, partner. 21, world expert on everything obviously. Is ‘non-binary’ at the moment and has legally changed their name to something ludicrous. My friend who I was worried about just rolls her eyes thank fuck.

In my case, I believe the trans person is also a TRA. This is based on conversation and their social media postings.

I recognise that they are not the same, but I think there is frequently an overlap (at least in one direction).

I know IRL a couple of the B-list TRAs who've been discussed on other threads, both women, won't say their names or professions as I'm paranoid about being anonymous here.

Their fervour scares me, in earlier times they'd have happily been shipping their friends and neighbours to the gulags for re-education. Both are thoroughly middle-class and insulated from poverty, exploitation and lack of public services. One of them used to be an ordinary, friendly lesbian in the same field as me before they went they/them, dyed their hair and started farting their aggressive genderwoo out to Twitter and in real life. I avoid.

It's interesting to see how female dominated this seems to be. That fits my experience but I sometimes get the impression that's unusual.

If that’s the case, I m pleased. I got a very dusty answer to my communication, but tbh that was a while ago while Covid was raging.

if we do have the same MP, is there any chance that you could pm me with any information about local GC groups or contacts? I am trying to fly the flag but it’s quite isolating round here.

I knew and was quite friendly with a fairly prominent MTF at university, back in the Bronze Age, who Transitioned quite a few years after graduating. Will I be modded if I say it came as a surprise to me, I had never associated this individual with being particularly ‘feminine’ or having a feminine sensibility , especially compared with several male contemporaries of us both who were gay?

I have seen them become more and more vocal, intolerant and aggressive over the years (now at a distance but I catch sight of them through their media presence). I think that they are perhaps disappointed that the transition has not been a universal solution to the difficulties which everyone experiences in life

@MsTSwift
Oh no. Rising 40 and routinely going on about the “trauma” of receiving a very expensive education “against their will”. Still lying about having interviewed at Oxbridge, too (details clearly copied from film & TV) which is really very sad.

Several.

Some are trans, (though not all the trans people I’ve known are TRAs), one is the mother of a girl who has transitioned, a couple are just “allies” - they seem to be the most vociferous - and some are just political little-wigs who think declaring TWAW & calling WPUK a hate group is going to keep the activists on side.