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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Eyes on Scotland ...

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ArabellaScott · 07/09/2022 19:49

www.thenational.scot/news/21138178.liz-truss-trying-block-scotlands-gender-recognition-act-reforms/#comments-anchor

www.vice.com/en/article/3adva3/liz-truss-scotland-gender-identity

'LIZ Truss is reportedly trying to block Scotland's plans to allow self-ID for transgender people and has asked lawyers for advice on how to "pause or prevent" the reforms.'

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WeeTorag · 07/09/2022 20:06

I Hope she succeeds. I'm sick of them using that "international best practice" guff to make out like what they are doing is normal and acceptable. Sick of it.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 07/09/2022 20:11

G’wan Liz.

I’m all for rights - just not at the expense of mine.

ImherewithBoudica · 07/09/2022 20:13

Good for her. It's a total mess in all directions.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2022 20:13

It'll be really interesting to see how legislation interacts/impacts on different countries within the UK.

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Ofcourseshecan · 07/09/2022 20:24

Good news. I’m worried about her right-wing views on many issues. But she’s totally sane in her opposition to the male-supremacist gender ideology.

waterwitch · 07/09/2022 20:26

V happy that Liz Truss has thought through the implications of this for the rest of the UK, unlike so many other politicians

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2022 20:27

It's also the case that Scotgov have been told very clearly they can't make legislation that impacts on the rest of the UK. They've a history of not thinking these things through properly.

Sometimes I think they're just naive and well meaning. Other times ...

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Newlychosencatservant · 07/09/2022 20:29

Good

terryleather · 07/09/2022 20:30

WeeTorag · 07/09/2022 20:06

I Hope she succeeds. I'm sick of them using that "international best practice" guff to make out like what they are doing is normal and acceptable. Sick of it.

Yup, if I see them talking about the feckin Yogyakarta Principles as if they were some kind of authority rather than the wishlist of various genderist lobby groups that they actual are I will scream.

Of course Westmonster "meddling" will go down like a cup of cold sick with the SNP faithful but will add fuel to their fire at the same time, so there's that...

Igmum · 07/09/2022 20:33

Oooh, good good good. And done in her first couple of days too. Gives me hope.

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2022 20:41

Igmum · 07/09/2022 20:33

Oooh, good good good. And done in her first couple of days too. Gives me hope.

The GRR could be just the MacGuffin, I think. The bigger issue is Scottish independence, and tensions between different legislatures.

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nepeta · 08/09/2022 06:11

I feel so sad for Scotland. This doesn't really belong here, but I wrote to one of the organisations which gives out health information, because they had erased the female sex in all of that information while retaining the male sex as men and boys.
I got a response where they promised to erase the male sex, too. So it goes.

Hoardasurass · 08/09/2022 07:28

The reforms to the GRA in Scotland are so badly thought out that if Stergon and co manage to get them in this was always going to end up in court.
The changes mean that no Scottish GRA would be legally recognised outside of Scotland due to the different issuing systems (nic et al were specifically asked about this answered we don't know) nor would any be able to be issued to non scotts because they cannot order an English, Welsh or Northern Ireland registrar to reissue a birth certificate even through scot government claims that it will be for anyone usually resident in Scotland (whatever that means) so a2 tear system that gives preferential treatment to born Scots (nic refutes this but can't explain why its in her opinion wrong). Then we have the legal issues about 16&17 year olds not being able to sign any binding contract as they are not considered adults by the law (even in Scotland with emancipation at 16 they are still minors in law(its a gray mess)) and that's before we get into all the reserved law's that it interacts with and the harm that it will cause women and girls.
Tbh I'm really happy that the UK government is intervening as it saves us women in Scotland having to and it will help to strengthen the argument against independence as self id is (when fully explained)supported by less than 20% of the population and many former independence supporters (myself included) won't vote for independence until they get rid of the woke bs or reform the government

TheKeatingFive · 08/09/2022 07:37

Good

Musomama1 · 08/09/2022 07:42

Good to hear, I hope she is successful.

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2022 07:42

Scotland are subject to the HRA and the EA. They cannot just change them as they see fit.

Looks like this is about to get demonstrated.

Hoardasurass · 08/09/2022 07:49

@RedToothBrush this was demonstrated to the Scottish government with both the named person bill and the rights of the child bill, it has also been proven in court that they can't redefine women in law to include some men and they still do it and are being sued for it again (for women Scotland could do with some gardening) the SNP don't care about the rules of law when it is inconvenient to them

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2022 09:44

Thing is, Scotland are still accountable to Westminster. Yes they can break rules, but thats largely because there isn't enforcement going on. Truss is signally the enforcement part is about to happen.

Its an open goal for the Tories in terms of being able to perhaps remove some power from Scotland which is an overall objective too.

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2022 10:54

www.heraldscotland.com/politics/20074233.snp-playing-roulette-five-options-set-rewrite-devolution-settlement/

'THE SNP Government has been accused of playing “constitutional roulette” with the devolution settlement after lobbying UK ministers with five options to rewrite the Scotland Act to push through legislation deemed incompetent by the Supreme Court.

The Scottish Government is yet to bring back updated legislation after its plans to incorporate the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child (UNCRC) into Scots law were deemed outwith the scope of devolution by the UK Supreme Court.'

They're just playing games. Unfortunately, the outcomes have consequences for us all.

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workedwell · 08/09/2022 23:27

RedToothBrush · 08/09/2022 09:44

Thing is, Scotland are still accountable to Westminster. Yes they can break rules, but thats largely because there isn't enforcement going on. Truss is signally the enforcement part is about to happen.

Its an open goal for the Tories in terms of being able to perhaps remove some power from Scotland which is an overall objective too.

I've written to the Scottish Conservative leader before, pointing out that the UK Government needs to try to prevent the SNP from wasting large sums of taxpayers' money on laws/schemes which fall outside its devolved powers. It is ridiculous to leave it to Scottish grass root groups to fight back against the SNP's wilful creative interpretation of their powers and force the public to fund raise for legal cases which the UK Government could quosh much more quickly if it chose to do so.
Maybe Liz Truss will have this as a bigger priority than Boris Johnson did.
It is also maybe time to make it clear exactly what their remit is and amend law as required. It is drafted too vaguely at the moment.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 09/09/2022 01:45

This gives me hope.

Lucienandjean · 09/09/2022 01:54

ArabellaScott · 07/09/2022 20:27

It's also the case that Scotgov have been told very clearly they can't make legislation that impacts on the rest of the UK. They've a history of not thinking these things through properly.

Sometimes I think they're just naive and well meaning. Other times ...

They are not naive and well-meaning. Far from it. They have been completely ruthless in trying to force these changes through.

I just hope Liz Truss stands firm and finds a way to prevent self-ID becoming law here in Scotland.

FemaleAndLearning · 09/09/2022 06:53

Good news let's hope there is clear action.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 09/09/2022 18:35

Then we have the legal issues about 16&17 year olds not being able to sign any binding contract as they are not considered adults by the law (even in Scotland with emancipation at 16 they are still minors in law(its a gray mess

That's not correct. The Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991 gives 16 to 18 year olds the power to enter contracts.

TheLassWiADelicateAir · 09/09/2022 18:41

A person under 21 can seek to reduce a contract entered into between the ages of 16 -18 if it is a prejudicial contract, which means a contract an adult would not have entered into using reasonable prudence and the contract has or is likely to cause substantial prejudice.

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