Germany: man murders woman, somehow it’s feminists’ fault

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After the Pride event in the city of Münster a Chechen man living in Germany [allegedly] verbally abused two lesbians as “dirty lesbian whores”. Malte C, a woman who identified as a man, intervened to defend the lesbians, whereupon the man [allegedly] punched her to the ground. She later died in hospital.

A predictable avalanche of terrible takes ensued.

Malte was the victim of “transphobic violence” caused by hatred whipped up by “T**RFs”, said the so-called left. Malte would still be alive if the man had been deported, said the far right.

For the so-called left, the problem is “T**RFs”, for the right it’s immigrants.

Neither side will dare to name male violence as the issue that killed brave Malte.

Malte What an utter tragedy.

😥

Thank you Malte for trying to defend women.

condolences to your friends and family.

I hope the perpetrator is prosecuted and the truth is learned via the court case. It’s never ok to treat murder as a political football.

RIP Malte and thank you for your bravery and compassion for other women.

What an incredibly brave thing to do

RIP Malte 💐

It's not misgendering, it's using pronouns according to sex. Which is how many of us on these boards (and you know, most people) use pronouns.
There's no need to tie ourselves in knots using words that show allegiance to an ideology we detest, when the person in question (or grieving loved ones) are not actually present to be offended.

Please show some respect and don't derail the thread. As the the OP says, this is about male violence. And probably male violence towards females (if Malte was perceived as female), an aspect missed if we gloss over it with preferred pronouns.

I don’t believe anyone has used any pronouns (nor declared anyone a ‘hero’)?

to refer to Malte as a man (rather than a transman or a gender transitioned woman) would conceal the horror of male on female violence - this is the feminist board so if this was male on male violence there wouldn’t be any reason to be posted here at all. We aren’t gonna cape for violent males here.

I realise that some people wish a gender transition resulted in a change of sex, but it doesn’t so pretending it does won’t make it so.

You're the only person using pronouns @YoungSoulRebel and you have zero idea what Malte or Malte's family would think or want.

Please show some respect.

The actual punch that killed Malte was disgusting. The supposed offense that you are assuming is irritating at best.

What the TRAs are saying makes no sense.

The attacker targeted lesbian women, not trans people. A trans person was sadly killed when stepping in to defend them.

No reasonable person could argue that gender critical feminists are anti-lesbian. In fact a lot of them are lesbians. There's an argument that genderism is homophobic, in that it doesn't respect sexual orientation.

Insisting Malte is as male as Malte’s attacker could result in a lesser sentence - after all, a bloke punching a bloke is unlikely to consider it could lead to death. The general, society wide disgust we have for men who hit women isn’t because women are feminine, but because female bodies are less able to absorb impact.

But perhaps Rebel could start a new thread to discuss this thoroughly rather than derailing and distracting people from the awful loss of Malte?

@YoungSoulRebel you sound like a Ricky Gervais skit. You are angry at the wrong part. A man killed a biological woman (even if we would have all respected his feelings to identify how he felt) It's really important to differentiate when murder is involved.

What the TRAs are saying makes no sense.

When has that ever stopped them?

RIP Malte

Insisting Malte is as male as Malte’s attacker could result in a lesser sentence - after all, a bloke punching a bloke is unlikely to consider it could lead to death.

i don't think so. Malte was incredibly brave stepping in to defend the lesbians. The fact that it was man on man makes no difference in law, although there may be an element of hate-crime if there is any indication that the perpetrator knew that Malte was trans.
It is incredibly sad, and incredibly awful that this is being used by the right as a weapon against decent people. Racism homophobia and violence against a transman. What a mess.
Also the blow wasn't instantly fatal, that will also have a bearing on this.

I guess we’ll have to wait for the court case to really understand all the elements (I don’t really know anything about German law).

I hope Malte’s family aren’t kept waiting for justice. The court backlog here is horrendous, hopefully less so in Germany,