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BBC story on prostate cancer uses "men" throughout

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Chersfrozenface · 31/08/2022 11:57

The story is here www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-62723653

So prostate cancer occurs in men, not people.

A sample of paragraphs from the story.
"Prostate cancer is the most common cancer in men, with more than 9,000 men living with it in Northern Ireland.
More than 11,500 men die from the disease in the UK each year - that is one man every 45 minutes.
Dr Dunne said this "personal therapy involving genetic therapy will determine different treatments for different men".
"Basically two men would receive a different treatment if they came forward because they have different genes. That could include the amount of radiotherapy during treatment," she added.
"I will be studying how genes influence men's response to a type of radiotherapy called radium-223."

This is, of course, just how it should be.

Now when will women be referred to in the same way?

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ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 13:32

I searched for 'cervical cancer' on BBC.com, just to do a quick comparison. First article up:

www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-60648553

New tech improves cervical cancer screening

Published

7 March

Medical staff with smear testImage source, Getty Images

A pilot scheme using artificial intelligence and advanced imaging to help diagnose cervical cancer is being trialled in Airdrie.

University Hospital Monklands said it has become the first hospital in the UK to pilot the technology.

The technology creates digital images of cervical smear slides from samples with Human Papilloma Virus (HPV).

Health experts say it could help earlier detection of pre-cancerous cells and cancer cells.

More than 3,000 women are diagnosed with cervical cancer in the UK each year and six women are diagnosed in Scotland every week, according to Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust.

Cervical screening error numbers 'may be higher'

DIY smear test could be 'game-changer'

How to make your cervical test more comfortable

The lab at University Hospital Monklands receives 3,500 cervical screening samples from across the country every week and is one of the first in the world to pilot the technology as part of its cervical screening programme.

The technology uses a digital cytology system, the GeniusTM Digital Diagnostics System, from women's health company Hologic, to create digital images of cervical smear slides from samples that have tested positive for HPV, which accounts for more than 95% of cervical cancers.

These images can be quickly reviewed using an advanced algorithm which assesses the cervical cells in the sample and provides the screener with an image gallery of the most diagnostically-relevant cells.

The system will help medical experts quickly identify and accurately diagnose abnormalities as they will have fewer cells to analyse.

Health experts say it could be instrumental in ensuring earlier detection of pre-cancerous cells and cancer cells and potentially save lives.

Improve outcomes for women

Allan Wilson, consultant biomedical scientist at NHS Lanarkshire who is leading the pilot, said: "Looking for abnormal cells is like trying to find a needle in a haystack because in some cases there are only around 50 abnormal cervical cells in a sample that may contain 15,000 normal cells.

"This pilot with Hologic has shown how digital cytology can revolutionise our analysis process in our cervical screening programme."

He said the preliminary results were promising, with the Monklands team increasing capacity by about 25% in the slide assessment and improving analysis turnaround times. She added that this allowed screeners to dedicate more time to training on the latest technologies and deal with difficult-to-diagnose cases.

"We are now undertaking a retrospective study, using the digital cytology system to test its performance against previous known results," he said.

"This will then provide the clinical data to make a recommendation on the use of digital cytology in the cervical screening programme in Scotland.

"Through artificial intelligence (AI) and digital diagnostics, we have the potential to improve outcomes for women not only in Scotland, but around the world."

'Hugely positive'

Cervical screening is routinely offered to anyone with a cervix in Scotland between the ages of 25 and 64 every five years.

Samantha Dixon, chief executive of Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, said: "Catching cervical cell changes means they can be treated to prevent them from developing into cervical cancer.

"The earlier they are diagnosed, the less invasive treatment might be. Anything that improves or speeds up this process, which in turn could improve outcomes for women and people with a cervix is a hugely positive thing which we want to see explored fully."

Tim Simpson, general manager of Hologic UK & Ireland, said the company aims to help "create a world where no woman dies from cervical cancer".

6 uses of 'women/woman' in this article. Not too bad!

Chersfrozenface · 31/08/2022 14:37

Given that the exact same wording appears on the Barrhead News website, the terms in the cervical cancer story evidently come directly from quotes in the relevant media release.

www.barrheadnews.com/news/19968174.pilot-scheme-using-ai-transform-cervical-cancer-screening-experts-say/

On the Argus site with identical wording, the by-line is "PA News Agency" - www.theargus.co.uk/news/19968174.pilot-scheme-using-ai-transform-cervical-cancer-screening-experts-say/

Still, at least if the terms weren't altered by the BBC, that's something.

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ClimbingCancelled · 31/08/2022 14:54

Just had a quick search on the NHS website because previously they referenced "people with a cervix" for women and "men" regarding prostate cancer

I saw this. This is a HUGE CHANGE. We can request a female medic!

BBC story on prostate cancer uses "men" throughout
ClimbingCancelled · 31/08/2022 14:56

ClimbingCancelled · 31/08/2022 14:54

Just had a quick search on the NHS website because previously they referenced "people with a cervix" for women and "men" regarding prostate cancer

I saw this. This is a HUGE CHANGE. We can request a female medic!

www.nhs.uk/conditions/cervical-cancer/symptoms/

Chersfrozenface · 31/08/2022 15:02

ClimbingCancelled · 31/08/2022 14:54

Just had a quick search on the NHS website because previously they referenced "people with a cervix" for women and "men" regarding prostate cancer

I saw this. This is a HUGE CHANGE. We can request a female medic!

With the caveat that it depends what the NHS in general and the NHS body in question mean by the word "female".

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StanleyStanleyStanley · 31/08/2022 15:57

ClimbingCancelled · 31/08/2022 14:54

Just had a quick search on the NHS website because previously they referenced "people with a cervix" for women and "men" regarding prostate cancer

I saw this. This is a HUGE CHANGE. We can request a female medic!

That reminds me - what happened to the NHS declaring they were going to 'gender neutral' all conditions. Cervical cancer was updated Sept 2021 to remove all but one mention of women. Prostate cancer was updated Oct 2021 and there's no removal of 'men' and not a single mention of 'transwomen and non-binary'.

ArabellaScott · 31/08/2022 16:20

Yes, I know there is at least one transwoman GP listed as 'female' by their practise.

Chersfrozenface · 31/08/2022 16:24

NHS pages on cervical cancer still say "Anyone with a cervix can get cervical cancer. This includes women, trans men, non-binary people, and intersex people with a cervix."

The cervix is described as being "part of the reproductive system", with a description of its location and a diagram.

Pages on prostate cancer - still "men", no mention of trans women, non-binary people or intersex people with a prostate.

The prostate is described as being "part of the male reproductive system", with a description of its location, no diagram.

It should be noted that the word "intersex" is not medically correct.

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ZuttZeVootEeeVo · 01/09/2022 00:03

The cervix is described as being "part of the reproductive system", with a description of its location and a diagram.

First time ive seen the female body as the default and the male as other.

It should be noted that the word "intersex" is not medically correct.

Its the biggest clue that it hasn't been written by an expert on DSD or anyone advocating for them.

LBFseBrom · 01/09/2022 00:09

As it is only men who have a prostate, it makes sense to refer to the patients as 'men'. If there was a programme about ovarian or cervical cancer, 'women' would be the correct term to use.

Chersfrozenface · 01/09/2022 07:35

LBFseBrom · 01/09/2022 00:09

As it is only men who have a prostate, it makes sense to refer to the patients as 'men'. If there was a programme about ovarian or cervical cancer, 'women' would be the correct term to use.

This was my point.

But in many places this is not happening. The words 'woman' and 'women' are being erased, even when talking / writing about health issues related only to female biology.

Even the website of the charity Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust, mentioned in the story in the OP, says things like "Our latest reports focus on ways to prevent more cervical cancers and ensure the best care, support and treatment for people with cervical cancer."

And yet the words 'man' and 'men' are still routinely used in corresponding contexts.

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Chersfrozenface · 01/09/2022 08:57

That should read "Jo's Cervical Cancer Trust mentioned in the story about Hologic" not "in the OP".

I am not a morning person and am still uncaffeinated, that's my excuse.

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Creativecrafts · 01/09/2022 09:05

I can't see that it matters.

Utini · 01/09/2022 09:17

It matters for women who don't know they have a cervix and may miss out on screening - perhaps those who are poorly educated, or have learning difficulties, or speak English as a second language.

ITVlocalnews · 01/09/2022 09:35

BBC Morning Live - the doctor referred to men when talking about prostate cancer.
Then immediately after that when talking about covid concerns in pregnancy the female presenter referred to pregnant people.

ffs

Chersfrozenface · 01/09/2022 09:57

Creativecrafts · 01/09/2022 09:05

I can't see that it matters.

As @Utini says, it matters for women who don't know they have a cervix and may miss out on screening or even reading messages about symptoms. Surveys have shown that up to 50% of women don't know they have a cervix.

And diagrams showing "the reproductive system" without specifying the sex don't help.

Also, why the disparity of treatment of the two sexes? Men get to be called men in health communications, women don't get to be called women.

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BoredofthisCrap7 · 01/09/2022 09:58

Actually I would be delighted to see publications like this include the words "Trans woman".

They need to be reminded (and so does everyone else) that they are male.
Biological men.

I would welcome every single publication regarding men's health issue to emblazon "Trans women" across their literature.

I know that's not the point of this thread, but I would find it amusing that their demand for "inclusivity" would ensure that we are under no illusions exactly what category they come under.

littlbrowndog · 01/09/2022 10:00

In Scotland it’s anyone with a cervix

that’s the health message that sent to Scottish erm people

apparently 45% of women don’t know they have a cervix

what’s wrong with using the word women. 🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️In health messages when it’s adverts on telly

littlbrowndog · 01/09/2022 10:01

Or health messages anywhere not just telly

Festoonlights · 01/09/2022 10:42

I am so tired of men being men, women being people. It is a national disgrace.

Chersfrozenface · 01/09/2022 11:05

Another slightly cheering thing - a BBC news site story on a misleading claim being circulated on social media about Covid vaccines and pregnant and breastfeeding women.
www.bbc.com/news/health-62739554
It uses the words 'pregnant women' and 'breastfeeding' exclusively.

Well, almost exclusively. The link to the US's V-Safe study reads "followed more than 20,000 people vaccinated during pregnancy". But that's the language used in the report linked to ("pregnant persons" FFS) and it's the barking mad US, so...

One other thing, on the actual page, the headline reads "Covid: Pregnant women targeted with false vaccine claims" but on the news front page it's "Pregnant targeted with false vaccine claims". I don't know whether that's an error - it's been there since before 7 this morning, mind - or whether the front page bods are so terrified of using the wrong noun that they just left it out altogether.

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